Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Christophera]

You haven't shown this yet. All you've done is ASSERT that it isn't dust. I'm saying that it could very well be. Other suggestions have also been made, but your only answer is "no, it's concrete" without support.

This reduces your credibility and sincerity.

We can see the dust, we know what it is, and that dark form located exactly at the core is not dust. Your issue is significant.

What is really a significant issue is that you have not produced any proof from the raw evidence of the demoliton that there were steel core columns whiule I have entire site with links to uninterested parties confirming the concrete core.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

 

[Arus808]

This is the second (at least) time I said no. Other have done this and there is no response.

Christophera, have you bothered to contact those involved in the construction and design of the twin towers? You are now going on 31 hours ; that is more than enough to time to make a simple phone call to those who were involved.

Why haven't you? Dont tell me that others have, because Im not going to ask them.

 

[Arus808]

Why is it not logical?

by his comment, he really doesn't understand building materials.
Christophear, look up sheetrock.

 

[Bell]

We can see the dust, we know what it is, and that dark form located exactly at the core is not dust. Your issue is significant.

What is really a significant issue is that you have not produced any proof from the raw evidence of the demoliton that there were steel core columns whiule I have entire site with links to uninterested parties confirming the concrete core.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

What, in your understanding, is raw evidence?

 

[Blue Mountain]

Waht you really mean here,

1. You're willing to work with us instead of calling the whole lot of us names,

is; That I'm willing to change the subject.

NO.

Get reasonable and you will find I stop calling you names.

If this is not concrete what is it. Drywall is not logical.

<silly URL snipped>

Earlier you made a couple of incorrect statements with regards to which floors contained the skylobbies and the mechanical equipment.

This tells me you either can't research anything accurately, or are unwilling to admit you made a mistake.

If you can't research things accurately, why should we believe anything you say?

I'm trying to give you a chance to show us you're capable of doing something extremely basic, sort of like having your kid show you she can ride a bike before you take the traning wheels off.

Getting all huffy when I'm trying to give you a chance to show you're more than a bag of hot air really doesn't enhance your case very much.

And in answer to your question: dryer lint.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Oh, and can I get your answer to this question?

In fact, had there been a concrete core, especially one 17' thick , would it not have served to protect the stairwells and elevators? If that were so, why did everyone above the impact zone in the north tower perish, and only a handful in the south tower escape?

 

[Christophera]

In fact, had there been a concrete core, especially one 17' thick , would it not have served to protect the stairwells and elevators? If that were so, why did everyone above the impact zone in the north tower perish, and only a handful in the south tower escape?

Oh, and can I get your answer to this question?

I answered this a few pages back which means the obfuscatiors efforts are effective.

To illustrate it I posted an animated gif,

WTC 1 animated gif of the impact.

WTC 2 animated gif of the impact.

The obfuscatiors, cried, "That doesn't show the core." and my answer was lost in what followed.

The core of Tower one was holed all the way through by the right engine of flight 11, fuel flowed it through and spread fuel through the core. The central stair and the western stair were destroyed. The engine bounced off the inside of the farside perimeter walls not exiting the tower. The left engine hit interior walls and stayed inside the core on the east half. Falling debris had partially blocked the east stairwell and the fuel exploded making the environment full of smoke and fire, uninhabitable. The core was protection from the aluminum plane but not the engine. It was about 2.5 thick at impact height.

The core of tower 2 was holed by the left engine of flight 175 which was traveling 100 MPH faster than 11 and the core was about 4 feet thick at that elevation. Smaller amounts of fuel were in WTC 2 as much of the fuel burned outside the east wall at impact. Tower 2 had 2 functioning stairwells and little smoke in the core.

Flight 11 made a solid hit and only the engines penetrated. That is pretty good protection, but the fire issue made the environment uninhabitable.

 

[Christophera]

What, in your understanding, is raw evidence?

Raw evidence is something that is not contrivable. It really is of the scene.

 

[Christophera]

I'm trying to give you a chance to show us you're capable of doing something extremely basic, sort of like having your kid show you she can ride a bike before you take the traning wheels off.

Getting all huffy when I'm trying to give you a chance to show you're more than a bag of hot air really doesn't enhance your case very much.

And in answer to your question: dryer lint.

Something basic in this situation is like the core of the towers, what kind? Thereis no way we can get an accurate idea of what the floors were laid out like, elevators in the plan view or otherwise. Why bother? The issue is insiginificant to the priorities at hand.

It was you that didn't know who Yamasaki was.

Try and use raw eivdence to make your point and you'll find out that I know more about the towers structure and can analyze images of construction and demolition like none can. Go ahead, bring me evidence for your steel core columns and I'll show you the concrete core. That is all you can do because the steel core columns did not exist.

Gravy learned this and doesn't even try to post images anymore. A true dummy at LC learned it the hard way by misinterpreting information on construction photos first and then continued to make a really dumb boo boo.

See my 7:45 pm post on this page.

http://www.letsrollforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15600&sid=cdb1230b0bd17820dfd1b10adac2c70c#top

What he did first was provide me with a picture of the footing zone of the core. Yes, accomodating the 15 foot wall thickness on the long side of the core. I took his erroneously annotated image and corrected it to make sense witht he relationship between the elevator pits and the piers for the interior box columns.

 

[Christophera]

Earlier you made a couple of incorrect statements with regards to which floors contained the skylobbies and the mechanical equipment.

What i said is that some elevator equipment was inside the core itself at the 43rd and one other above serving elevators with cable and that those elevator shafts, above and below were separated.

Logic says that if the heavy elevator motors were at the top there would be perhaps too much weight. The 43 floor is known as the mechanical floor, in the right place for stability. The pulley systems in elevators such as those require the reels to be very close to the load. There were parts of the core that were not continuous for good reason, to get the cable out into the core area going up to pulleys that in turn led down.

All that made the 43rd floor very complex structurally. My point is that the top of the core is that area or perhaps just below it, very strong to take the weight.

 

[Belz...]

We can see the dust, we know what it is, and that dark form located exactly at the core is not dust.

In fact, we can see the dust so well that we can't make out anything else.

 

[Belz...]

The core of Tower one was holed all the way through by the right engine of flight 11, fuel flowed it through and spread fuel through the core.

How do you know this, considering the only reports made on the impacts do not speak of a concrete core ?

 

[bonavada]

Christophera wrote:-
See my 7:45 pm post on this page.
Let's Roll Forum

just waded through that thread, interesting to note that none of the other contributors rallied to your concrete core cause.

i was intrigued though, by your statement that you interviewed a mohawk ironworker about his involvement in the construction of the WTC. you infer that he was "afraid" to talk to you about certain matters, (in particular "the special security measures taken during the construction of each floor") this sounds incredible to me. can you elaborate further? i.e. more about the "special security measures" or just general information like the guys name or even when/where did the interview take place?

BV

 

[Belz...]

My thought is that the worker said he didn't know, or didn't remember, or that there was no concrete core, and chris "interpreted" that as fear.

 

[DavidJames]

My thoughts on that part of the conversation:

mohawk ironworker: "Concrete core? I'm afraid you're insane pal, that's so stupid, I don't want talk about it"

What Christophera heard "Concrete core? I'm afraid ... I don't want talk about it"

 

[Oliver]

 

[uruk]

This is the second (at least) time I said no. Other have done this and there is no response.

Who are these "others" who have tried to contact the workers who made the concrete core? Can we have thier names so that we can contact them?

 

[bonavada]

My thoughts on that part of the conversation:

mohawk ironworker: "Concrete core? I'm afraid you're insane pal, that's so stupid, I don't want talk about it"

What Christophera heard "Concrete core? I'm afraid ... I don't want talk about it"

my thoughts are that the mohawk/christophera interview may not have even taken place. i base this accusation on the related dates he gives in the let's roll forum HERE :-

From Christophera
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:27 am
Post subject: Re: Impact and fires different yet they both fell similarly
I interviewed a Mohawk who was 24 when the towers were built. He couldn't say he remembered the concrete core. But he
did remember they could only go 7 floors over the core with steel. He still had 2 friends that worked with him on the
towers that were living. I asked him to speak with them about the core to see if they could revive each others memory.
When I explained that the FEMA said it was made with steel core columns, he became afraid. He was 64 years of age at
that time. I could try him again. Maybe the fact I'm stilll alive will encourage him.

my bold
this indicates that the mohawk must have been working on the WTC at least 40 years prior to the interview. ok....well let's look at a few (quickly googled ) facts, for a start, the slurry walls that encompassed the WTC site were not finished until 1968 and only then could the main excavation of the site be carried out. this work finished in 1969. work on the foundations of the two main towers then began. which took god knows how long?
what puzzles me is what exactly was the mohawk doing at the WTC site (at the latest) in 1966? also from the gist of the rest of the guff he's posted at the Let's Roll Forum i gather that the mohawk interview took place two years ago or more. so that would make his dates even more odd.
And this from the above quote:-

He couldn't say he remembered the concrete core. But he did remember they could only go 7 floors over the core with steel

so he couldn't remember the core but he did remember the core? wtf??

anyway even if i'm totally wrong about this and besides anything else, i think it's highly offensive for christophera to insinuate that hard working proud people like those ironworkers who risked life and limb to earn a wage were/are even mildy complicit in the "cover-up" of his cretinous concrete core C4rebar sheisser.

it seems he will do/say/write anything to lend weight to his daft claims.

Angry BV

 

[Z]

Oh yeah, he's clearly a liar.

He never did address his 'KCET channel 10' claim... lol

 

[uruk]

Gravy learned this and doesn't even try to post images anymore. A true dummy at LC learned it the hard way by misinterpreting information on construction photos first and then continued to make a really dumb boo boo.

See my 7:45 pm post on this page.

http://www.letsrollforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15600&sid=cdb1230b0bd17820dfd1b10adac2c70c#top

Gravey said that he was only going to make that one post in this thread. Further proof of your habitual lieing.

That person in the other forum is Jackx he realized his error and corrected it and he totaly demolished you. Further proof of your intellectual dishonesty.

When chris, are you going to stop lieing? But then we all know why you lie here and at other forums. You have nothing and you know it. Your just runnng around making stuff up to save face. You know your wrong. Admit it.