What are the odds...

[Donal]

Fema and OEC, 9/10

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0406/S00031.htm

That article says FEMA claims they never sent and Urban search and rescue team in on 9/10. Granted, they go out of their way top put a devious spin on FEMA being in the biggest city on earth preparing to conduct a drill, but they fall short at that.

Still not reading your own "sources" I see.

 

[geggy]

Hey, blanco.

The article says the equipments were already set up in a warehouse for Tripod drill that were going to take place on 9/12. Hundreds of fema, oec personals had arrived 9/10 and 9/11 as well as firemen and police recruits to attend the drill. So that pretty much contradicts fema's denial.

Only further to validate Kenney's "quips" about arriving in NYC on 9/10, there were also several emergency drills being performed within few miles of the pentagon that were scheduled to start before the impact in DC. Some of the drills included firemen responding to plane crashes and medic team performing a drill in case of a distaster. Both teams had already arrived the pentagon within minutes of the impact.

And...and...and...the CIA/FBI counter terrorism unit were stranded in california while performing a scheduled terror drill. Smart move by those who designed and scheduled these exercises to keep the CT unit away and prevent them from gathering evidence for further evaluation and improve their responses in the next attack. The evidence were quickly collected and disposed before they could access to them.

Only if you actually did some research like I told you

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Prove it. [that FEMA arrived in lower Manhattan on Sept 10 supposedly for a bioterror drill called "Tripod II"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8288604829321343357

Start by watching Kenney. There is a Giuliani video as well, in which he talks about all the FEMA and OEM guys. I'll find it.

 

[Belz...]

50,000 people in and out of each twin tower per day. 100 extra security or maintenence workers could blend in easily.

Yes, and it would take them 50,000 years to complete the work.

So they were "noticed".

Only in one tower, bucko. What about the other one ?

False premise. It looks like explosives did go off.

"Looks like" are the key words.

Those buildings were disintegrated, as it turned out. A few duds wouldn't have made any difference.

You mean they were converted to energy ?

Explosives can be firepoofed.

Not against airliners.

They don't have to work "perfectly", the demolitions were not "perfect".

Nor were they demolitions.

WTC7 was not beside twin towers, it was over 300 feet away, across the street, with a building in between. The closer buildings suffered much worse damage, were smaller to begine with, yet stood.

First off, it was right across the street, and the WTC1 was a very high structure, as you might have noticed.

Second, just because something is closer doesn't mean it'll always take more damage. The universe is not as simple as you'd like.

Military guys are sworn to follow orders. I'd say 9,999/10,000

When the murder of the civilians they are sworn to protect is involved, I should hope not.

False premise, people did notice. We don't know what happened at the Pentagon. Some people "noticed" a missile. Others noticed a global hawk. Others "noticed" a 757. Others didn't notice anything. Discrediting eyewitness testimony is part of the op.

Of course, when you make 1 person saying it was a missile the same as 300 who say it was a plane, it all makes sense!

False premise. We don't know what happened. Lamp posts can be knocked over by a guy with a wrench.

All while the plane passes by. Fast guy. Mighty wrench.

The truth movement doesn't suggest they were "fooled", we suggest they are lying.

That's actually funny. The TRUTH movement suggests they are LYING. Truth is all about lies, it seems.

Consider other conspiracies, such as operation ajax, which were successful and kept secret for decades. Not off the scale.

Does that even compare ?

Given the long, long history of blood thirsty, greedy tyrants who have lusted after global domination, sadly, the odds are

Absolute Certainty.

Given that something similar happened before, the odds are certainty ? You have some catching up to do in the logic department.

 

[Piggy]

Let's get back to the probability question....

Chances of being able to fly a plane into the WTCs, given the 1991 SOP followed by the airlines, once you managed to get onto the plane with boxcutters, which were easy to smuggle in 1991 -- extremely high.

Chances of a demolition being proposed, accepted, planned, and executed without anyone defecting and without leaving any valid evidence -- zero.

Game over.

 

[Gravy]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8288604829321343357

Start by watching Kenney. There is a Giuliani video as well, in which he talks about all the FEMA and OEM guys. I'll find it.

Kenney, who was exhausted, was speaking on Thursday. He misspoke and said he had arrived on Monday evening, when he actually arrived on Tuesday evening, the 11th. His wife confirms this. The slightest bit of research would show that you're wrong. Instead, you turn one person's misstatement about a time they did something into a conspiracy involving hundreds.

Why do you continue to behave this way?

 

[Loss Leader]

Still waiting for geggy to explain how the DEA should have stepped in to foil the whole thing. The DEA, the Drug ... Enforcement ... Agency.

 

[Horatius]

Still waiting for geggy to explain how the DEA should have stepped in to foil the whole thing. The DEA, the Drug ... Enforcement ... Agency.

Well, they could have strategically weakened their interdiction of drugs to the muslim community, so that all the hijackers would have become crackheads who couldn't find a plane, let alone fly it.

Or something.......

 

[Piggy]

Still waiting for geggy to explain how the DEA should have stepped in to foil the whole thing. The DEA, the Drug ... Enforcement ... Agency.

No no no... this is the Demolition Evasion Authority. Geez, what country do you live in?

 

[Donal]

Hey, blanco.

The article says the equipments were already set up in a warehouse for Tripod drill that were going to take place on 9/12.

No it doesn't. The article only implies personell.

Hundreds of fema, oec personals had arrived 9/10 and 9/11 as well as firemen and police recruits to attend the drill.

no. Here is what was in the articcle when they quoted Guiliani.

it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office,

Hundreds of people from several agencies. Not just FEMA.

So that pretty much contradicts fema's denial.

FEMA only denies having the Urban Search and Rescue Teams there on 9/10.

Only further to validate Kenney's "quips" about arriving in NYC on 9/10, there were also several emergency drills being performed within few miles of the pentagon that were scheduled to start before the impact in DC. Some of the drills included firemen responding to plane crashes and medic team performing a drill in case of a distaster. Both teams had already arrived the pentagon within minutes of the impact.

1) source?

2) So what? That is what First Response units do. Drill and respong quickly.

And...and...and...the CIA/FBI counter terrorism unit were stranded in california while performing a scheduled terror drill.

Imagine that. Counter terror units performing counter terror drills.

Smart move by those who designed and scheduled these exercises to keep the CT unit away and prevent them from gathering evidence for further evaluation and improve their responses in the next attack. The evidence were quickly collected and disposed before they could access to them.

Completly false. Rescue and recovery efforts were going on well after the first investigators arrived. How much evidence could they possibly have moved within a day?

Only if you actually did some research like I told you

Only if you started reading your own posts like I keep telling you.

 

[Gravy]

And...and...and...the CIA/FBI counter terrorism unit were stranded in california while performing a scheduled terror drill.

Uh, counterterrorism is about stopping terrorist acts. They wouldn't have been necessary at Ground Zero, the Pentagon, or Shanksville immediately after the terrorist acts.

Smart move by those who designed and scheduled these exercises to keep the CT unit away and prevent them from gathering evidence for further evaluation and improve their responses in the next attack. The evidence were quickly collected and disposed before they could access to them.

I'm calling your bluff again, geggy. Provide one shred of evidence that this is true, or retract it. You may, just may, want to look into how many FBI Evidence Response Teams were at Ground Zero. And did you know there were 52 such teams at Fresh Kills, where debris was sorted and sifted for 9 months? That doesn't include all the other city, state, and federal agencies who participated in evidence recovery.

So go ahead, geggy, my ever-fixéd star of ignorance. Show your proof that "the evidence were quickly collected and disposed" from the 3 billion pound pile of debris, or retract the claim.

ETA: Your count is now 257. Still waiting for an intelligent post.

 

[tsig]

50,000 people in and out of each twin tower per day. 100 extra security or maintenence workers could blend in easily. Most of the work was done in elevator shafts. Many people did notice odd things like evacuations, and power downs, and loud construction noises coming from empty offices, of which there were many.

False premise. We don't know what happened. Lamp posts can be knocked over by a guy with a wrench.

I've worked as building maint. We always knew who was who.

Must be a big guy with a big wrench. Or was he frantically unbolting the poles as the missle, plane or whatever hit?

 

[Dog Town]

I've worked as building maint. We always knew who was who.

I've done shows in arenas, stadiums, and theatres. The maint, and engineering guys are always my go to's. They seem to almost treat their buildings as "theirs". Anything out of line raises red flags w/these chaps, it is usually someone on my staff. They always, and I mean always, have the keys to everything, which I kinda digg!

 

[Piggy]

I'd like to see just how fast a guy with a wrench could actually knock down a lamp post.

 

[geggy]

Sergeant Matt Rosenbergm an army medic at the pentagon, is studying "a new medical emergency distaster plan based on the unlikely scenario of an airplane crashing into the place."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A38407-2001Sep15

"Ironically, we were conducting classes about rescue techniques when we were told of the planes hitting the World Trade Center," said Staff Sgt. Mark Williams. "My team was one of the initial response groups and one of the first to enter the building upon our arrival at the site (pentagon)."

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?archive=true&article=9181&paper=69&cat=104

"USA Today reports that at this time, a joint FBI/CIA anti-terrorist task force that specifically prepared for this type of disaster" is on a training exercise in Monterey, Calif. Consequently, as of late Tuesday, with airports closed around the country, the task force still hasn't found a way to fly back to Washington."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/security.htm

At the Education Center at Fort Myer, an army base 1.5 miles northwest of the Pentagon, the base's firefighters are undertaking training variously described as "an airport rescue firefighters class"; "an aircraft crash refresher class"; "a week-long class on Air Field Fire Fighting"; and a "training exercise in airport emergency operations." Despite hearing of the first WTC crash during a break, with no access to a TV, the class simply continues with its training. According to Bruce Surette, who is attending the session: "We had heard some radio transmissions from some other units in Arlington about how they thought they had a plane down here or a plane down there. So you're thinking, 'Hey this could be real.' But it really didn't strike home as being real until our guy came on the radio and said where the plane crash was." The Fort Myer firefighters then immediately head for the Pentagon, arriving there at 9:40 a.m., only three minutes after it is hit, and participate in the firefighting and rescue effort there. The fire station at the Pentagon heliport is actually operated by the Fort Myer Fire Department, and is manned on the morning of 9/11 by three Fort Myer firefighters who have already undertaken the airfield firefighting training.

http://www.mdw.army.mil/content/anmviewer.asp?a=511
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/6_44/local_news/11746-1.html
http://info.jems.com/911/pdf/jems0402.pdf
http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/Fire/edu/about/FireEduAboutAfterReport.aspx
http://web.archive.org/web/20030417074321/http://www.oapff.com/first-due.htm

xxx

 

[geggy]

The anti-terrorist unit responsiblity is to gather evidence in order to track those who are connected to the attack and have the potentinal to lead them in preventing future attacks by the same group. Unfortunately they weren't there at the crash site. The evidence they've received are either fabricated/stolen (hijackers' identifications) or disposed (plane parts).

ETA: they had to rely on flight manifest to prove who boarded AA77 yet DNA testing of bodies recovered from the crash site showed there were no arabs on the flight, as stated in FOIA's forms.

 

[DavidJames]

The evidence they've received are either fabricated/stolen (hijackers' identifications) or disposed (plane parts).

and your evidence for that is....

 

[Horatius]

So, do you have any data on how frequent such training exercises were prior to 9/11? Without knowing how common they are, the fact that some people were drilling that day tells us very little.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

At the Education Center at Fort Myer, an army base 1.5 miles northwest of the Pentagon, the base's firefighters are undertaking training variously described as "an airport rescue firefighters class"; "an aircraft crash refresher class"; "a week-long class on Air Field Fire Fighting"; and a "training exercise in airport emergency operations." Despite hearing of the first WTC crash during a break, with no access to a TV, the class simply continues with its training. According to Bruce Surette, who is attending the session: "We had heard some radio transmissions from some other units in Arlington about how they thought they had a plane down here or a plane down there. So you're thinking, 'Hey this could be real.' But it really didn't strike home as being real until our guy came on the radio and said where the plane crash was." The Fort Myer firefighters then immediately head for the Pentagon, arriving there at 9:40 a.m., only three minutes after it is hit, and participate in the firefighting and rescue effort there. The fire station at the Pentagon heliport is actually operated by the Fort Myer Fire Department, and is manned on the morning of 9/11 by three Fort Myer firefighters who have already undertaken the airfield firefighting training.

xxx

Wow, that quite a coincidence that these guys were training to deal with aircraft crashes when in close proximity to events wich had alot more in common with major building fires than the takeoff/landing incidents wich comprise the vast majority of conventional aircraft crashes.

Waitaminute... that's not a coincidence at all.

Swing and a miss, Geggy.

 

[stateofgrace]

Ts 1234.

You are fool, that is all I have to say.