Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Belz...]

Clearly, what ever the minimal fire might have done, it bears no comparison to this damage. She's alive on the 94th floor. is that where your fire was?

You can clearly see fire damage on your picture. Ergo there was a fire. You can also clearly see in other pictures that the fire moved to other floors in the building.

You find a court that will use evidence and I'll write the complaint

Interesting cop-out.

That is simply the fastners on the aluminum facade panels letting go. They were seriously giving up from bimetal corrosion.

They weren't like this before the 767 hit them.

Check the critical thinking meter.

I get no reading when pointing it at you.

Relating potentials for hypnotic performance to results of research, practice and experiments of hypnosis. Christopher A. Brown 8/17/01

Ah, the typical non-falsifiable claim. I love this.

This I agree with. Meaning that the combustibles were pushed up against the core and the interio box columns burning there and weakening them, causing the tower top to fall to the north.

Oops, it fell to the south. Uhhh, .... critical thinking leads me to think that plane impacts had nothing to do with the towers coming down.

Nope. Trying to apply common sense to an extremely complex event leads you to think that. That's because you have no ability to ignore your own bias. I still get no reading on you.

Ohhhh and the towers went to the ground at near free fall rates.

What's a free-fall rate ? And how much can I save if I switch ?

which defines exactly why the first tower hit, burnt worst fell last. A totally illogical sequence for collapse considering conditions and events.

A: Please show your evidence that it burned worse.
B: Don't you think the conspirators would've demolished the towers in the "proper" order ?

which defines exactly why the first tower hit, burnt worst fell last. A totally illogical sequence for collapse considering conditions and events.

That you don't know when to stop ?

 

[Belz...]

When I saw WTC 1 demoed on 9-11 I KNEW the documentary was gone.

Telepathy ?

If you want to see it, be reasonable and realize that this image of the core has never been reasonably explained as anything but concrete. Support that FEMA may have lied, make it an issue. When the public hears that the design of the towers may be an issue of deception, they will remember and SOMEONE made a copy. We WILL see the documentary.

Not if they're ALL hypnotised.

You have again generalized the issue of heat and steel. NOTHING happens to steel columns when exposed to red orange flames for an hour or two. NOTHING.

Nothing ? Wow. You mean, the laws of physics don't apply in that instance ? Amazing!

There is no doubt that the top of the building would have fell to the north IF it were going to fall from damage of the event.

Perhaps you'd care to re-evaluate the distribution of the damage to the north tower.

Yes, it definitely requires more explanation. Start with the tops of the towers falling the wrong way.

The conspirators wanted to tip YOU off ?

When you cannot explain what it is if it is not concrete, your assertion is totally without basis.

That would only be true if your claim that it is concrete was the most logical explanation.

What is the matter with raw images?

They're not raw.

That is the WTC 1 core with only one hallway per floor. Explained here.

It's amazing how you keep using yourself as your own support.

WTC 2 was very carefully designed to have the best access across the core possible. WTC 1 was very hard to rent because it only had one hallway
per floor across the core.

Wow. It really must be fun, making this up as you go.

So, WTC 2 (on left) had a completely redisigned core. The image of the mid day silouette shows 2 hallways. Since the core of WTC 2 ran north south, we view the narrow end, meaning that there was not much wall visible even though you are looking at the first of three full height structural walls

If that were true, the concrete would have no structural strength whatsoever. You can't even keep track of your own lies, can you ?

Uh, ...... delay system.

Uh, no. You can't destroy something AND keep it intact. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Also: why did the evil hypnotisers allow your vaunted documentary to be made in the first place ?

 

[chipmunk stew]

I fed my dog last night.

We use one of those self-feeder things, lasts him about a week. Seems to work pretty well...he doesn't over-eat.

My dog used to vomit on the carpet every time she drank her water from her bowl.

We bought her a water bottle (essentially an over-sized gerbil feeder) so she can't gulp the water down so fast, and we've been vomit-free ever since.

 

[mortimer]

Chris,

Care to revise your alternating hallways claim?

 

[Hellbound]

My dog used to vomit on the carpet every time she drank her water from her bowl.

We bought her a water bottle (essentially an over-sized gerbil feeder) so she can't gulp the water down so fast, and we've been vomit-free ever since.

That's a good idea. We have a self-filling water bowl for him (has a float valve), but I have to clean it every couple days because it gets leaves, dirt, grass, etc in it. A bottle would eliminate that problem.

 

[Arus808]

Chris, have you attempted to contact those construction companies and the designers of the WTC towers to get their comments?

 

[Bell]

Uh, ...... delay system.

Except one piece​

Uh..... no? Why did the rest of the tower collapse around the core, while the core itself was not yet blown?

 

[bonavada]

Uh..... no? Why did the rest of the tower collapse around the core, while the core itself was not yet blown?

just a thought...
is it possible that that pic (the one chris asserts shows a "17' core") is a picture of the area that those surviving firemen and the crippled lady (NYFD co. ladder 6 and victoria?) were dug out from?

just wondered..

BV
Swansea Wales UK

 

[Mancman]

just a thought...
is it possible that that pic (the one chris asserts shows a "17' core") is a picture of the area that those surviving firemen and the crippled lady (NYFD co. ladder 6 and victoria?) were dug out from?

just wondered..

BV
Swansea Wales UK

Yes, it is.

 

[Bell]

just a thought...
is it possible that that pic (the one chris asserts shows a "17' core") is a picture of the area that those surviving firemen and the crippled lady (NYFD co. ladder 6 and victoria?) were dug out from?

just wondered..

BV
Swansea Wales UK

STOP STALKING ME!!!

Anyhow, there's a follow up picture to the one Christophera keeps posting... again and again and again... It shows the 'shadow' (for lack of a better word (and no, Christophere, concrete core is NOT a better word)) conciderably lower than in this picture, like it collapsed. very hard to tell what the hell happened inside the dustcloud. But it has been my thought as well that we see the STEEL COLUMNS core collapsing, indeed where the firefighters and Josephine Harris were found.

 

[chipmunk stew]

That's a good idea. We have a self-filling water bowl for him (has a float valve), but I have to clean it every couple days because it gets leaves, dirt, grass, etc in it. A bottle would eliminate that problem.

It's really cute how she looks up at us and wags her tail while she's drinking from it, too. Awww....

 

[Hellbound]

It's really cute how she looks up at us and wags her tail while she's drinking from it, too. Awww....

Where'd you get it? I don't think I've ever seen one before.

 

[Blue Mountain]

No. Robertson was not qualified to the degree Yamasaki was with design engineering and basically employed Yamasaki to certify the greater structural/safety value of the entire project in some ways.

Please provide a reference for this assertion.

Hence the sacrifice in floor space at the ground floor because of the core walls base wall thickness. The steel cored tower could not certify past basic calculation and wind tunnel tests of models showed that calc's were correct. Steel flexes too much in those proportions.

The weight of a tower needs to be below the middle for greater stability. Putting the heavy elevator motors and AC machinery on the 43rd was that principle. That floor had structural cast concrete walls and floors out to the perimeter walls holding the shear panels of the walls in dimension, no flex, while mounting all the heavy elevator machinery, in postion in the core. That is the reason that some elevators only went halfway.

I have a partial set of Robertsons plans that show the site and some elevations. No core floor plan.

I'm so ignoring the links to your perposterous algoxy site.

Close, but no carrot. No elevator in the buildings went "only halfway" (JREFers: I'm splitting hairs here.) On what floors were the mechanical equipment REALLY located?

Also, the elevator setup was done the way it was to reduce the total amount of space dedicated to the elevator system, essentially by dividing the building to zones. It had nothing to do with the damping system.

I found this out in less than half an hour of research. How long have you been at this, only to get some very basic facts wrong?

Do you now understand why we don't give any credence to your extraordinary theory when you can't get even the ordinary stuff correct?

 

[Bell]

Please provide a reference for this assertion.


I'm so ignoring the links to your perposterous algoxy site.

Close, but no carrot. No elevator in the buildings went "only halfway" (JREFers: I'm splitting hairs here.) On what floors were the mechanical equipment REALLY located?

Also, the elevator setup was done the way it was to reduce the total amount of space dedicated to the elevator system, essentially by dividing the building to zones. It had nothing to do with the damping system.

I found this out in less than half an hour of research. How long have you been at this, only to get some very basic facts wrong?

Do you now understand why we don't give any credence to your extraordinary theory when you can't get even the ordinary stuff correct?

There's a difference between the skylobbies (44 & 78) and the mechanical floors (41/42 & 75/76 & 108/109)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center_tenants

 

[Christophera]

Please provide a reference for this assertion.

You didn't know who Yamasaki was. I'm not here to educate you on the business/certificaton relationships.

I'm here to show you pictures of the the towers coming apart/down and point out the existence or non existence of certain structural element.

If yo uhave any concerns for the rights and freedoms of Americans you will cease trying to change the subject.

The image showing the concrete core wall at its base is conclusive when no steel core columns are seen.

I'm so ignoring the links to your perposterous algoxy site.

It is preposterous to atempt to conduct an argument sach as you do with NO EVIDENCE while images showing concrete and no steel core columns are present.

No elevator in the buildings went "only halfway" (JREFers: I'm splitting hairs here.) On what floors were the mechanical equipment REALLY located?

Once again, I realize that changing the subject is your tactic and the fact that to get to some floors you had to go to the 42nd first and change elevators escapes your capacity to identify the needed mechanical relationships and structural loading into the tower and the elevator systems.

I am here to show you concrete
And prove you cannot show steel. You want to detail elevators because you have NO EVIDENCE of th esteel core columns.

Also, the elevator setup was done the way it was to reduce the total amount of space dedicated to the elevator system, essentially by dividing the building to zones. It had nothing to do with the damping system.

I found this out in less than half an hour of research. How long have you been at this, only to get some very basic facts wrong?

Do you now understand why we don't give any credence to your extraordinary theory when you can't get even the ordinary stuff correct?

I have never mentioned the damping system. Know nothing about it. Stop trying to change the subject and show some images of the supposed steel core column or give up.

 

[Christophera]

Your a complete and total liar Chris.
you completely ignore the facts that don't suit you. even on your own website you ignore fact and focus only what you think you see

Hit yourself again on the head homer. Look at the top left corner of tower 2 (the one on the right).

It is easy to see we are not looking at one face. The deflection angle is about 20 degrees.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3445&stc=1&d=1160438347

 

[Christophera]

Telepathy ?

Common sense, a notion wasted here. If it was not, then there would be a common sense explanation for this is if it is not concrete.

 

[Bell]

Hit yourself again on the head homer. Look at the top left corner of tower 2 (the one on the right).

It is easy to see we are not looking at one face. The deflection angle is about 20 degrees.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3445&stc=1&d=1160438347

Uruk was talking about the tower on the left, strawman.

 

[stateofgrace]

Hit yourself again on the head homer. Look at the top left corner of tower 2 (the one on the right).

It is easy to see we are not looking at one face. The deflection angle is about 20 degrees.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3445&stc=1&d=1160438347

Chris I'm not being funny here but are you actually looking at the same photograph?

Because the ones I am looking at you can see straight through the one on the left, apart from the steel cores that is.

 

[Arus808]

he is purposefully being obtuse.

if this was at the wrong angle, then i have a bridge in new york to sell you.