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It Has Happened Again...

mamapajamas said:
Even if it turns out to be automatic, there's a difference between "automatic" (chambers rounds automatically, but fires one shot at a time), and "fully automatic" (machine gun).
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Yeah, but not much. Nothing a kit and a screwdriver can't fix.
 
May I just interrupt here with a rousing "Who gives a [rule8]?"

Thanks.

Guns were much more readily available when I was in school. Their availability is not the primary reason for "it happened again." It is a contributing factor, certainly, if only because you can't shoot up a school if you don't have a gun.

It seems, however, that every time this horror happens, people want to talk about where the kid got the gun (if it's a kid, that is), how easy it is for kids to get guns, how we need to re-examine gun control....

This is not the problem.

My saying that, however, doesn't mean I can identify the problem. I have some ideas. I have a little insight. Most of us do. But we simply have to quit focusing on the guns. The guns are a symptom, and a tool, but they are not "the" problem.

There is no one place to put the blame, and there is no one answer or one solution. There may not be solutions. But kids having guns is not the problem.

A handful of kids wanting a gun, and wanting a violent solution to whatever problems they have or feel they have, is the problem.

How do we fix that? Can we fix that?
 
Cleon said:
Wow. Are those actually AK-47s, or just single-shot rifles designed to look like them?

(Shows how much I know about guns.)
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They're real AK's. I personally know two people who own the Romainian made AK's.
 
slingblade said:
May I just interrupt here with a rousing "Who gives a [rule8]?"

Thanks.

Guns were much more readily available when I was in school. Their availability is not the primary reason for "it happened again." It is a contributing factor, certainly, if only because you can't shoot up a school if you don't have a gun.

It seems, however, that every time this horror happens, people want to talk about where the kid got the gun (if it's a kid, that is), how easy it is for kids to get guns, how we need to re-examine gun control....

This is not the problem.

My saying that, however, doesn't mean I can identify the problem. I have some ideas. I have a little insight. Most of us do. But we simply have to quit focusing on the guns. The guns are a symptom, and a tool, but they are not "the" problem.

There is no one place to put the blame, and there is no one answer or one solution. There may not be solutions. But kids having guns is not the problem.

A handful of kids wanting a gun, and wanting a violent solution to whatever problems they have or feel they have, is the problem.

How do we fix that? Can we fix that?
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Kids having access to guns is not the problem?
 
slingblade said:
That's what I said. Why I said it is there, too. I've nothing to add.
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slingblade said:
It seems, however, that every time this horror happens, people want to talk about where the kid got the gun (if it's a kid, that is), how easy it is for kids to get guns, how we need to re-examine gun control....

This is not the problem.
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OK, what am I missing?

slingblade said:
My saying that, however, doesn't mean I can identify the problem. I have some ideas. I have a little insight. Most of us do. But we simply have to quit focusing on the guns. The guns are a symptom, and a tool, but they are not "the" problem.

There is no one place to put the blame, and there is no one answer or one solution. There may not be solutions. But kids having guns is not the problem.

A handful of kids wanting a gun, and wanting a violent solution to whatever problems they have or feel they have, is the problem.

How do we fix that? Can we fix that?
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Remove the easy access to guns. If you can't get a gun, you can't shoot someone. Easy peasy. It's a doozy. A no-brainer. Something that shouldn't even be an issue.

Yes, it's a fact, people. The hard evidence is in. There is no question about this. Don't even try to spin this fact into something else. Remove the easy access to guns, and you won't have people killed by guns.

Duh.

This isn't about some phony "right", "endowed" by a supernatural being. It's about dead people. Dead children.

No, I don't expect gun-advocates to even start consider the evidence. We've been through this, many times before. But this..."incident"...is just one more nail in the coffin.

Can we at least get one new argument from the gun proponents? Something that hasn't been beaten to death with evidence, many times before?
 
toddjh said:
My mind was changed by a JREF gun thread.
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Mine too, though I will admit that changes have been incremental rather than cathartic.

Oddly (or maybe not) most of the time my mind has been changed, it has been because of a stupid argument coming from the side that I agreed with rather than a brilliant one coming from a side I disagreed with.
 
CFLarsen said:
OK, what am I missing?

Remove the easy access to guns. If you can't get a gun, you can't shoot someone. Easy peasy. It's a doozy. A no-brainer. Something that shouldn't even be an issue.

Yes, it's a fact, people. The hard evidence is in. There is no question about this. Don't even try to spin this fact into something else. Remove the easy access to guns, and you won't have people killed by guns.
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Oh, my mistake. I thought you wanted to prevent people dying.

I thought the problem was with kids committing murder to solve their angst.

I see now that the real problem is that people should die, but by other means than gunfire.

That's not the topic of my post, however, so I'll just leave you and your delusion to the pleasure of each other's company.

:boggled:
 
slingblade said:
Oh, my mistake. I thought you wanted to prevent people dying.

I thought the problem was with kids committing murder to solve their angst.

I see now that the real problem is that people should die, but by other means than gunfire.

That's not the topic of my post, however, so I'll just leave you and your delusion to the pleasure of each other's company.

:boggled:
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How on Earth did you arrive at this??
 
By your insinuation that only guns are lethal weapons, and that if all guns were gone, kids couldn't kill.
 
slingblade said:
By your insinuation that only guns are lethal weapons, and that if all guns were gone, kids couldn't kill.
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Ehh....sorry, but no. Nowhere have I stated, indicated, or insinuated that only guns are lethal.

You have completely misread what I said. I do want to prevent people from dying. That's why I am advocating removal of the very thing that is built to kill.

If you can't get a gun, you can't shoot someone.

Is there something in this you disagree with?
 
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