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Mayor Giuliani warning about the collapses

MG1962

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I am being told by a CTer that Mayor Giuliani, was interviewed some thirty minutes before the first collapse, and said then the towers where going to come down.

Does anyone remember such an interview (claimed to have been on ABC)

If not - Does any one know when fears did start to be expressed the towers might collapse?

And assuming the answer to the above is correct. Any idea who decided it could be an issue.

I have tried googling, and found one interview after the fact but it doesn't mention when the Mayor was told, and I cant provide the link because I dont have enough posts yet :(

Thanks in advance
 
Some engineers have recalled in interviews feeling or predicting that the towers would collapse, given the obvious structural damage and raging fires.

It's likely Guiliani heard from one of them and related what he was told.
 
Thanks - I suspected something like that. But you know the CT mind set. Unless I can offer a direct quote, including the persons political affilations for the last 20 years and checkable DNA samples from all their children and pets. Then I wont be believed lol
 
The NYPD aviation unit...the NYPS in the helicopter circleing the building predicted the towers would fall and gave an evac order to NYPD in the towers. Bernard Kerac, the head of the NYPD, was with Guiliani the whole time.
 
The NYPD aviation unit...the NYPS in the helicopter circleing the building predicted the towers would fall and gave an evac order to NYPD in the towers. Bernard Kerac, the head of the NYPD, was with Guiliani the whole time.
This was true for the north tower, the second to fall, but I haven't read of any such warnings about the south tower.
 
This was true for the north tower, the second to fall, but I haven't read of any such warnings about the south tower.

I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that Allyn Kilsheimer predicted the collapse before the first one fell.
 
I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that Allyn Kilsheimer predicted the collapse before the first one fell.
I think he said he believed they would fall, but being in D.C., he wasn't in a position to do anything. I was responding to the reports from the helicopter. Mark Loizeaux of CDI says he was watching the fires on TV and called the FDNY and OEM to tell them that he didn't think the buildings would stand, but he couldn't get through.
 
This was true for the north tower, the second to fall, but I haven't read of any such warnings about the south tower.

I'm pretty sure I read that there was a warning just before the south tower fell that "these buildings (referring to both towers) are in imminent danger of collapse". I think it was a guy named Zarillo who had received that message or what charged with delivering that message from the building dept engineers to Chief Ganci.

I'll look it up but that's what I recall from the Dwyer and Flynn book "102 Minutes".
 
I looked it up. According to the book cited above, it appears that an engineer from the Department of Buildings reported that the structural damage to the towers appeared to be immense and that the stability of both buildings was compromised. He was, though, particularly worried about how long the north tower would stand.

John Peruggia, a fire dept delegate who was in on this meeting of emergency response officials in the lobby of WTC7, heeded the warnings from the building dept engineer despite the previous conventional wisdom about the strength of the buildings and summoned Rich Zarillo, an EMT, who was working for him as an aide, to go to the command post where Chief Ganci was located and deliver the message.

"You see Chief Ganci, and Chief Ganci only," Peruggia said. "Provide him with the information that the building integrity is severely compromised and they believe the building is in danger of of imminent collapse."

When Zarillo got there, he gave the message that the buildings were near collapse to Chief Ganci's aide, Fire Marshall Steve Mosiello.

Mosiello turned to his boss, a few steps away, and said, "Chief, these buildings are in imminent danger of collapse."

Ganci looked stunned and asked, "Who would tell you something like that?"

Mosiello turned to Zarillo and said, "Richie, come over here and tell the chief what you just told me."

Right after Ganci heard the message delivered by Rich Zarillo about the threat of imminent collapse, a gathering rumble filled the air. "What the f*** was that?, Ganci asked. A glance at the south tower, its top dissolving into smoke, answered his question.


As noted above, that is from the Dwyer and Flynn book. I haven't seen anything that suggests that the NYPD aerial crews reported on the imminent collapse of the south tower, only the north. But it does appear that the engineers on the ground were worried about the collapse of both towers early on. Unfortunately, not soon enough in the case of the south tower.


Edit to add: the meeting that Peruggia was at took place as part of his duties on the OEM team, so it is logical to assume that Guiliani would have heard about the info from the building dept engineer regarding the danger of collapse at the same time. The time of this exchange is not given in the book, but it says that Peruggia had to then contact Zarillo (to fill him in and give him instructions, presumably) and that Zarillo couldn't get to Chief Ganzi's location easily due to the flaming debris and falling bodies, so it seems it took a period of time for him to get there.

From the timeline, it seems that Zarillo didn't get there until after Chief Palmer had made it to the 78th floor of the south tower and after Kevin Cosgrove called his brother, and after Rick Thorpe called 911 saying that people on 106 were passing out, and after Greg Milanowycz called his father, and just at the time that Kevin Cosgrove was on the phone to 911.

In other words, only moments before the south tower collapsed. But it is impossible from this account to determine the time that the building dept engineer gave the word that the buildings were in danger of imminent collapse.
 
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I am being told by a CTer that Mayor Giuliani, was interviewed some thirty minutes before the first collapse, and said then the towers where going to come down.

Hi MG,

1) Welcome to the forum.

2) If a CTer is making that claim, ask the CTer to provide evidence of the interview and evidence of the time of the interview to back up his/her claim.
 
[Hi MG,

1) Welcome to the forum.

2) If a CTer is making that claim, ask the CTer to provide evidence of the interview and evidence of the time of the interview to back up his/her claim.


Thanks for the welcome. And trust me I already have asked. But do like to know the answer to the question before I ask it :)

And thanks for your response in the previous post to by the way.
 
I think he said he believed they would fall, but being in D.C., he wasn't in a position to do anything. I was responding to the reports from the helicopter. Mark Loizeaux of CDI says he was watching the fires on TV and called the FDNY and OEM to tell them that he didn't think the buildings would stand, but he couldn't get through.
i believe Loizeaux also figured the south tower would fall first because it was hit lower down

this is another good example of CT spin, they claim no one expected the towers to fall, therefore they shouldnt have fallen (a logical fallacy in itself) then when shown evidence that people did expect them to fall, they cite it as proof that those individuals knew about the explosives
 
i believe Loizeaux also figured the south tower would fall first because it was hit lower down

this is another good example of CT spin, they claim no one expected the towers to fall, therefore they shouldnt have fallen (a logical fallacy in itself) then when shown evidence that people did expect them to fall, they cite it as proof that those individuals knew about the explosives
He**;
I was in Roswell, New Mexico, watching it on TV with a half dozen other engineers, and we all became concerned that they were coming down--some time before they actually did!
And not a precognitive in the bunch, I might add.
 
He**;
I was in Roswell, New Mexico, watching it on TV with a half dozen other engineers, and we all became concerned that they were coming down--some time before they actually did!
And not a precognitive in the bunch, I might add.
well that proves your a govt shill and you and all your shill buddies must have known about the planned demolition

:D
 
Wtc7

John Peruggia, a fire dept delegate who was in on this meeting of emergency response officials in the lobby of WTC7, heeded the warnings from the building dept engineer despite the previous conventional wisdom about the strength of the buildings and summoned Rich Zarillo, an EMT, who was working for him as an aide, to go to the command post where Chief Ganci was located and deliver the message.

But why did WTC 7 collapse? News footage I've seen certainly looks like demolition. And Silverstein told officials to "pull it." There was no reason for that building to collapse. The fire was small and contained. :eek:

kc440
 
There was not a person there that day, that saw the towers after the planes hit that DIDN'T think they were going to fall.

I remember looking at the flaming hole in the south tower and thinking "I can't believe it didn't fall right away".

Sure we all tried to convince ourselves that that couldn't happen, but EVERYONE knew they were going to come down, the question was when.
 
But why did WTC 7 collapse? News footage I've seen certainly looks like demolition. And Silverstein told officials to "pull it." There was no reason for that building to collapse. The fire was small and contained. :eek:

kc440
Larry Silverstein was talking to the FDNY. The FDNY does not "pull" buildings.

WTC 7 was badly damaged, not lightly damaged. WTC #1 did not fall into itself. Debris from tower 1 fell at 120mph into nearby buildings including WTC#7.
 
Thanks for the welcome. And trust me I already have asked. But do like to know the answer to the question before I ask it :)

And thanks for your response in the previous post to by the way.

You're most welcome, MG1962, on both counts.

And yes, I agree with you that it is always good to know the answer before you ask the question. In my line of work, in fact, it's a rule of thumb that is ignored only to one's peril. :)
 

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