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Scientific evidence for "chi"

Nucular said:
Ah, I see now - so let me get it straight, Sting has sex for hours on end without moving very much, thereby transmitting Martian nanobacteria, or 'midichlorians' if you will, which cause fractal waves in the tantric energies of the universe, and that's how babies are made? So that's why the human genome project has failed to cure Mekhbesi disease! :p
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That’s it. Just look on the bright side. It is nice to have a woo theory that doesn’t have the word “quantum” included somewhere.
 
Lothian said:
That’s it. Just look on the bright side. It is nice to have a woo theory that doesn’t have the word “quantum” included somewhere.
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You say "Quantum", I say "midichlorians" :p
And "nano-" was right on the edge ...
 
Thanks exarch, that's exactly how I took it to be for the past 40 years, from the martial arts days. With retirement comes time for deeper analysis... :)
Maybe next month I will look into something more worthwhile but I would like to give this a fair shot. I have been married with a "woo' for 30 years, it is about time we find a common ground...:) :)
Incidentally, Ericka, at least she knows how babies are made...:) :) :)
I love these kid tricks, easily fixed emotional expression! Too bad for good old language skills.. :D :o ;) :p :( :confused: :mad: :rolleyes: :cool: :eek: :blush: :boggled: :eye-poppi :covereyes
 
For everyone's benefit, Sting recently upgraded his "sex for seven hours" claim. He said it involved six hours 40 minutes of begging at the start...

;)
 
I also really liked Erika's calim that “NASA has found life in space much smaller than we can detect with instruments on earth”.
This life is so small we can’t detect using any of the instruments we have on earth. What instrument did NASA use to detect it ? and Where do they keep it.

My guess is NASA have a Protothermal graviton-microscope they keep in a secret Lab on Jupiter.
 
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Lothian, when I read your first post on this thread I was a bit confused and hoped that somebody else would pick up on your ideas, then the topic was a bit derailed by the mirth started by Ericka.

I seem to understand that we both think that the "life force" if it exists is "normal". I am not sure whether there is an undisputed definition of "paranormal" but I tend to agree with the philosopher (can't remember the name) who said that magic is anything we do not know yet.

That people using the "magic" to exploit people's ignorance should be hung by their thumbs in the public place goes without saying. The real issue is whether the underlying phenomena that some tend to attribute to magic, either in good faith or fraudulently, are scientifically investigated by reputable people. Given that the discussion seems to have died because nobody has access to the studies mentioned, I will try to find them and make them available, if they seem convincing and I can do it without breaching copyright. I'll keep watching the thread hoping that something comes up, though.

I have read "how to know God" by Chopra and can't fault the logic of his analysis of how man makes god to his resemblance, but of course the leap to Vedic belief requires the "life force" hypothesis to be true. Sorry I have not found any reputable research on midichlorians.......
 
Thinktoomuch said:
Lothian, when I read your first post on this thread I was a bit confused and hoped that somebody else would pick up on your ideas, then the topic was a bit derailed by the mirth started by Ericka.

I seem to understand that we both think that the "life force" if it exists is "normal". I am not sure whether there is an undisputed definition of "paranormal" but I tend to agree with the philosopher (can't remember the name) who said that magic is anything we do not know yet.
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At risk of misrepresenting Lothian, I don't think this gets to what he was saying.

Whether called paranormal or not, chi--if it exists--existed prior to any theory of it and should therefore have demonstrated its properties prior to these studies. e.g. "Look. This rock falls although I don't know why. Wait. Sir Isaac has discovered why yet the rock falls exactly the same as it did before."

For chi it might be: "Look. People get better when I poke them thusly but I don't know why. Wait. New Scientists has discovered why yet the poking cures people exactly as it did before."

The problem is twofold: (1) The poking (acupuncture) is separate from the chi itself. (2) There were until recently, no reliable demonstrations that acupuncture did anything beyond placebo. iirc, there are recent studies that acupuncture helps in limited fashion with limited ailments, but I can't recall specifics, and the findings do not point to an existence of any energy fields or chi.

Thinktoomuch said:
I have read "how to know God" by Chopra and can't fault the logic of his analysis of how man makes god to his resemblance, but of course the leap to Vedic belief requires the "life force" hypothesis to be true. Sorry I have not found any reputable research on midichlorians.......
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I have not read this particular book, but I think relying on Chopra for anything of substance is a mistake. Not too long ago I dealt with a very nice lady deeply into astrology and other things mystical. She had copied a passage from Chopra in which he used quantum physics as his 'proof' of his theories. What she copied was too pages long and she began to read it to me. She stopped after about four sentences because I was able to tell her where Chopra was grossly misrepresenting quantum physics already.
 
Garrette, I don't think Chopra is a saint or a profet (or a quantum physicist for that matters), but you have to admire somebody who makes millions, mostly from the 10% of Americans who would believe anything, telling the other 90% that the god they worship is made by the morons for the morons to the morons!
 
Well, I admire chutzpah in nearly any form, but I separate that from admiring the person. And I find nothing in his works to indicate they are worth using to reach conclusions or even to frame questions.
 
Nucular said:
*Fighting back urge to explain how babies are actually made*
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I was alway told it was something to do with birds and bees. Although no-one ever explained what I was actually supposed to do with them. :eye-poppi
 
Once I watched National Geography about the Temple of Shaolin, so narrator told movements of chi in body can be observed by warmness detector or so. And narrator was some guy from NG, not a Shaolin monk. ;/
 
Thinktoomuch said:
Lothian, when I read your first post on this thread I was a bit confused and hoped that somebody else would pick up on your ideas, then the topic was a bit derailed by the mirth started by Ericka.

I seem to understand that we both think that the "life force" if it exists is "normal".
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My concern was merely with the statement about the study you made. I have not read the study and appreciate you may have just paraphrased what the study was about. Two things struck me about the way you described it.

They appeared to claim to have found a new reaction. As Garratte said, if chi has always existed then this ”life force” and the reactions would be “normal”, as normal as gravity or magnetism. The incredible alternative would be that now we have “discovered chi” the body acts differently.

The second point was that this experiment does not “prove” chi. Dropping a ball and watching it go down does not prove gravity. It proves that in one experiment a ball fell. Experiments only tell you what happened on a particular occasion they do not tell you why it happened.

For that you need a theory. Experiments do not prove theories they merely support the theory or don’t support it. Here there are a mixture of theories chi and acupuncture.

What is a chi meridian ? Were are they ? What do they do? How far do they stretch ? What in the theory stops isotopes after 10-15 cm ? What alternative explanations are there ? What other evidence supports their existence ?

How does the fact that an isotope injected in one part of the body travels in a straight line for 10cm validate the theory that putting a pin in your ear will heel a scar on your big toe ?

I think that this experiment has a long way to go to even support either theory never mind prove either.
 
Thanks Lothian. All that understood, the problem is that without the book we are only speculating. As already said, I'll try to find it.
 
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