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Poor Karla!

Jas said:
Do you have any extra barf bags handy, Roadtoad?
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Sorry, after reading that last news link about Mahaffey, I'm out.

The only light I see in any of this is that at long last, the United States no longer has a lock on self-absorbed, homicidal degenerates. Unfortunately.
 
Roadtoad said:
Sorry, after reading that last news link about Mahaffey, I'm out.

The only light I see in any of this is that at long last, the United States no longer has a lock on self-absorbed, homicidal degenerates. Unfortunately.
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Never heard of Issei Sagawa then?

Here's Crime Library's story on him. Somewhere, years ago I managed to find the story, "in his own words," somewhere on the Internet.

I'm not tracking it down and I advise you not to either.
 
The movie "Karla" or "Lethal Marriage" is foul and deeply disturbing. I'm surprised that they even produced it. It attempts to try to make you feel sorry for Karla in some warped way. It tries to pitch to us that she had zero sense of self-will beyond what Bernardo told her she could do. In some ways a very sick and deeply disturbed individual may seek someone like Bernardo out and then find themselves in deeper than they expected.
The opposite is true as well with Bernardo he may had sought out to find someone with a meek warped 0 self-will personality so that he may have an accomplice. Bernardo and Holmoka where evil and demonic in their purpose in life equally but the movie sure tends to make him the Devil and Karla his slave. If you even ponder it for a second you could see the "demonic" overtones. They destroyed Christmas with Tammy's death and Easter with Kristen's death. Those two are not of this world that's for sure. To feel sorry for either of them would be to be like them.
 
Roadtoad said:
A very accurate editorial regarding this whole affair, from last year.

I'm not from Canada. After reading this, I'm not sure I want to be.
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For what it's worth, RT, there are canadians who are embarassed and furious about this whole thing to varying degrees.

My personal stand is alluded to in the posts above. Same sentiment goes for Bernardo, except I think he should be allowed "unsupervised social interaction with the other inmates" for as long as it takes for him to suffer the same fate as Dhalmer.
 
CFLarsen said:
No, I don't. Should vigilantism be allowed in Canada?
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Isn't law enforcement a form of vigilantiism (sp?) by proxy?

In answer to your question, no, vigilantiism isn't acceptable anywhere.

FYI about Homolka, she was offered a deal prior to some seriously compromising evidence coming to light. For reasons that most Canadians find repugnant, this deal was not recinded upon discovery of the depth of her complicity in the crimes, and so she spent only 12 years in the slammer, and now walks free when she should really have suffered the same fate as her loving hubby, Paul Bernardo.

Were she consigned to solitary for the rest of her life, like he is, I would have negligable urge to feed her feet first through a wood chipper, or to offer her the opportunity to view the aquatic wildlife of one canadian lake or another from inside a comfy chickenwire and concrete blanket.
 
This though was a mistake by the police and Crown. They were in such a rush to convict Bernardo that they offered a deal without having all the evidence. She knew what the truth was and cut the best deal she could. Smart woman.

She has served her time and is now free. Not only is that the way our system works, it's the way it SHOuLD work. The sore losers who screwed this up tried to change the deal when she was being released but the courts wouldn't allow it, thankfully. Canadian's outrage should be directed at the individuals who failed to do their job.

If the media and public keep harassing her, you know the courts will allow her to change her name and then no one will know where she is. Leave her alone and allow her live in peace so that we can at least keep an eye on her.

This same type of unreasoned outrage was expressed when Clifford Olsen came up for parole. People are still upset that his family was paid $100,000.00for him to lead the police to where his victims were buried. I think it was a brilliant idea to save the families of the victims a lot of grief and to save taxpayers a lot of money. That he is up for parole is, once again, the way our system works. The point of this opportunity is to give the inmate some hope and encourage them to reform. Olsen chose to murder 11 children and I doubt he will ever see the outside of a prison again but the system is set up to work for the average criminal not for the anomolies like Olsen.

Badger said:
FYI about Homolka, she was offered a deal prior to some seriously compromising evidence coming to light. For reasons that most Canadians find repugnant, this deal was not recinded upon discovery of the depth of her complicity in the crimes, and so she spent only 12 years in the slammer, and now walks free when she should really have suffered the same fate as her loving hubby, Paul Bernardo.

Were she consigned to solitary for the rest of her life, like he is, I would have negligable urge to feed her feet first through a wood chipper, or to offer her the opportunity to view the aquatic wildlife of one canadian lake or another from inside a comfy chickenwire and concrete blanket.
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I agree with you.

That doesn't diminish my base urges, though.

Which is why vigilantiism isn't good.
 
CFLarsen said:
No, I don't. Should vigilantism be allowed in Canada?
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It's one thing not to think nothing should be DONE to her because, on general principles, vigilantism is a bad idea. It's quite another to appropriately FEEL she should have been hanged from the nearest lamppost, together with her husband.
 
Badger said:
For what it's worth, RT, there are canadians who are embarassed and furious about this whole thing to varying degrees.

My personal stand is alluded to in the posts above. Same sentiment goes for Bernardo, except I think he should be allowed "unsupervised social interaction with the other inmates" for as long as it takes for him to suffer the same fate as Dhalmer.
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I understood all that, B-man. The whole sick little affair is one of the most frightening I've encountered, simply because of what has been coming out since Homolka was released, as you've pointed out.

I have a strong view of DAs and their ilk using plea bargains to get convictions, since my brother wound up being the sole person nailed in a car theft, even though it was a friend of his and his girlfriend who were responsible. In some cases, (certainly not all), you can wind up with people like Homolka walking away from prison sentences they well deserve. Decent people are threatened, and they damned well ought to be concerned when DAs are more concerned with conviction rates than putting lawbreakers behind bars.

Then there's the flip side to this: how many people are behind bars because of plea bargains who SHOULDN'T be there in the first place? I'd love to have an answer to that one.
 
Didaktylos said:
Maybe Canada could do a swap with the UK - Karla Homolka for Maxine Carr.
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They're not even in the same ballpark. Homolka is a killer. Carr merely gave her boyfriend a false alibi when she genuinely believed he was innocent.
 
Ian Osborne said:
Homolka's health and safety aren't exactly top of my list of concerns, though people who say they would enjoy ripping her to shreds have more in common with her than they realise.
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I disagree. There's a huge difference between doing and saying.
 
Originally Posted by Ian Osborne
Homolka's health and safety aren't exactly top of my list of concerns, though people who say they would enjoy ripping her to shreds have more in common with her than they realise.
I think she should still be in prison. Her sentence was too light. You can not do something like she did and just walk away and start a new life. They should have done something after viewing the tapes. There were other crimes she could have been tried on. They rushed to the conclusion that it was all Paul and in doing so screwed up large. Now she walkes amoung us....too unreal.
 
My first thought upon reading the topic title was that this thread was about Karla Faye Tucker whom Bush publicly mocked while he was governor of Texas when she was executed. I think I'll start a thread about that Karla, might be interesting.
 
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