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[Split] (Ed) 9/11 in perspective

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat


And now, the 9/11 tragedy in perspective...

* about 3000 civilians died in the bombing raids on Afghanistan in 2001
* about 45.000 Iraqi civilians have died since the start of the war
* almost 3000 coalition military have died in the war in Iraq
* about 3.000 children die of malaria each day
* about 24.000 people die of hunger or hunger-related causes each day

In terms of loss of human life, 9/11 was tragic, but what has since been done in the name of 9/11 is worse.
 
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brumsen said:
And now, the 9/11 tragedy in perspective...

* about 3000 civilians died in the bombing raids on Afghanistan in 2001
* about 45.000 Iraqi civilians have died since the start of the war
* almost 3000 coalition military have died in the war in Iraq
* about 3.000 children die of malaria each day
* about 24.000 people die of hunger or hunger-related causes each day

In terms of loss of human life, 9/11 was tragic, but what has since been done in the name of 9/11 is worse.
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Can you please save this stuff for tomorrow? I can throw up numbers about Dresden, Hiroshima, the concentration camps, etc, but today is about some specific acts that cost human life on a specific day. Can we keep it to that?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Can you please save this stuff for tomorrow? I can throw up numbers about Dresden, Hiroshima, the concentration camps, etc, but today is about some specific acts that cost human life on a specific day. Can we keep it to that?
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Dresden, Hiroshima and concentration camps have nothing to do with 9/11.
The first three numbers - and arguably the other two as well, albeit indirectly - do have something to do with 9/11. Whether you like it or not.
 
brumsen said:
And now, the 9/11 tragedy in perspective...

* about 3000 civilians died in the bombing raids on Afghanistan in 2001
* about 45.000 Iraqi civilians have died since the start of the war
* almost 3000 coalition military have died in the war in Iraq
* about 3.000 children die of malaria each day
* about 24.000 people die of hunger or hunger-related causes each day

In terms of loss of human life, 9/11 was tragic, but what has since been done in the name of 9/11 is worse.
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Sorry, how does malaria and hunger enter into it when you say "in the name of 9/11"
 
brumsen said:
Dresden, Hiroshima and concentration camps have nothing to do with 9/11.
The first three numbers - and arguably the other two as well, albeit indirectly - do have something to do with 9/11. Whether you like it or not.
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So, rather than keeping this a day for respecting the victims that died in the attacks you're going to insist on turning it in to a politic debate about the long term fallout from the attacks? Grow up.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
So, rather than keeping this a day for respecting the victims that died in the attacks you're going to insist on turning it in to a politic debate about the long term fallout from the attacks? Grow up.
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No. I only gave you some numbers. That is not meant as any disrespect to the direct victims of 9/11 at all.
However, as a non-American I do have this feeling that there is an overly patriotic focus on those 3000, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Just wanted to convey that.
 
brumsen said:
No. I only gave you some numbers. That is not meant as any disrespect to the direct victims of 9/11 at all.
However, as a non-American I do have this feeling that there is an overly patriotic focus on those 3000, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Just wanted to convey that.
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I'm sure you're indeed not the only one. But I would have thought that you might spare us this one day to mourn our dead.
 
brumsen said:
No. I only gave you some numbers. That is not meant as any disrespect to the direct victims of 9/11 at all.
However, as a non-American I do have this feeling that there is an overly patriotic focus on those 3000, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Just wanted to convey that.
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Um, hello? I'm American. You saw my blog, and you can see that I added the one nation that I inadvertently missed as soon as it was pointed out. Are the major media outlets being very patriotic? Probably (I don't know I'm not watching TV right now). What you posted does not have the affect of internationalizing the loss of 9/11. You could have easily done that by posting all the nations affected, or the names and nationalities of the victims. Instead, you posted something that has an apparent intent to make a statement beyond that of recognizing the victims.
 
brumsen said:
Not directly, but indirectly. The war is likely to cost about $2 trillion.
Malaria and hunger are both basically poverty-related. So that money could have been better spent. Especially when one realizes that it's basically borrowed money.
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BRumsen, you are making me sick. TAke your bickering somewhere else. This thread is for remembering the dead.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Um, hello? I'm American. You saw my blog, and you can see that I added the one nation that I inadvertently missed as soon as it was pointed out. Are the major media outlets being very patriotic? Probably (I don't know I'm not watching TV right now). What you posted does not have the affect of internationalizing the loss of 9/11. You could have easily done that by posting all the nations affected, or the names and nationalities of the victims. Instead, you posted something that has an apparent intent to make a statement beyond that of recognizing the victims.
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You're not getting it. By "patriotic" I do not mean that you are exclusively mourning the Americans that died that day. Indeed, that would have been an unfair criticism of you, given your blog.
What I mean is that I find the focus on what happened in New York - which was obviously shocking to many - overly patriotic. In my view, 9/11 should be a day of reflection, both about what happened during that day, and about what has been done since in reaction to those attacks. Reflect not only on America, but also on America in its relation to the rest of the world.
 
Interesting how people react to what I've been saying here.
Have I been pushing patent falsehoods? Well no, that would surely have been pointed out to me.
Have I been impolite or disrespectful? It has yet to be explained to me how so.
Or are my comments in bad taste? De gustibus non est disputandum.
OK, I'll stop. Don't want to be pushing brussels sprouts down your throats if your're disgusted with them.
 
you can continue here if you like.. The other thread was just not the proper place.

You are acting like Fred Phelps at a funeral.

In case you don't know who he is

Phelps gained national attention for interrupting the trial-process and funeral of Matthew Shepard, a young gay man who was beaten and then murdered in Laramie, Wyoming, in 1998. Since then, Phelps has gained further notoriety by protesting the funerals of American personnel killed in action during the War Against Terror. He maintains these deaths are inevitable due to the American government's percieved support of homosexuality. He says such deaths, along with other tragic events such as the September 11 attacks and Hurricane Katrina, are caused by the Christian God because of that god's hatred of homosexuals and America's tolerance of them. He also claims that the 2004 Asian tsunami was directed by the Christian God as a result of Sweden's perceived support of homosexuals.[3]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

Totally out of line in that thread. Do it here, and people can ignore it, or not, as they please.
 
Approximately 1700 servicemen and civillian personnel died in the Japanese raid at pearl harbor. America incurred another 290,000 dead from the resultant war against the axis.

No enemy soldier or bomb ever touched Canadian soil in World War 2, yet this nation gave up 42,000 of it's dearest blood.

Brumsen is right, we should have never gone after Hitler and Tojo.
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Forget WWII and hunger, every year more than 400,000 Americans die from cigarette smoking. That's the same as suffering the 9/11 attacks once every 2.7 days, 135 times a year. You want to talk about a cost-benefit analysis? Imagine how many of those 400,000 lives we could have saved if we put the money spent on Iraq into smoking prevention.

And remember that not a single 9/11 terrorist was Iraqi and none received training or money from Iraq.
 
People died from numerous countries.

Here in Australia, people reflected on the Australians who died along with all the others who died.

I am sure it was the same everywhere (possibly even in Belgium).

The US did not just lose citizens that day.

The events were also an attack on the US mainland itself.

The events also brought forth enormous acts of bravery from the civillians and military who responded to the attacks.

On the other hand, there were almost no revenge attacks on Muslims in the US, despite the attacks being perpetrated by people claiming to act on their behalf.

The US had a lot to be patriotic about.

Perhaps your lack of understanding is a cultural thing? Does anything make Belgiums feel patriotic as Belgians or is the country to divided between the two languages? This is a genuine question, not a dig at Belgium.
 
Its seem's that "truth"seeker1234 and Brumsen have given us a little reminder of why we "waste" our time conspiracy bashing. I mean, damn, this couldn't wait until tomorrow? What sort of person could make it a point to marginalize the worst attack on our countrys soil, perhaps ever, on the 5 year anniversary of the event?

(That was a rhetorical question Brumsen, I already know the answer.)
 
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