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Childlike:

I'm fairly new here at JREF, like you. I came here because I had heard about "Loose Change" and, while I was pretty sure its claims were bogus, I wanted to know exactly WHY they were bogus so I could discuss the movie intelligently if it ever came up in conversation. I've reviewed many thousands of posts here, both pro and con of the official story. And, in my opinion, which I know has little if any value to you, there is NO compelling evidence whatsoever of any government involvement in 9/11. ALL of the points CTers raise in support of their theories are adequately explained in other ways.

I'm not saying that there isn't a**-covering and fudging of facts in the official reports, because there surely is. When dealing with a bureaucracy, a**-covering is the watchword. Is it frustrating to me that no offcials were held responsible for the pre-9/11 intelligence failures? Sure. If those failures hadn't happened, one of my best friends would still be alive today. But the official story, complete with a**-covering, is still the best we have, and it's likely to be the best we'll ever have, because it's essentially (although not in every detail) accurate.

And, the idea that we're somehow dishonoring the victims of 9/11 by not allowing other nations to poke around in our internal affairs is, to put it mildly, ridiculous.

I'm tired now. That was a lot of typing for me.
 
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By the way, up to 20 minutes, we're now into the "no investigation of 9/11" and "investigation into President's blowjob cost more than investigation into 3000 murders" BS. *yawn*

"Yawn"??? I refuse that i´ve read that, Andrew...
I hope you know what you´ve said - you should
repeat it to the victims families... :jaw-dropp
 
Sorry, Oliver, this goes back a while. You'll have to take it up with Childlike. I can't talk any reason into her.

I think Oliver made his proclivities clear with:
Thank you so much! I´ve waited so long to see it.
despite his best attempts at pretending otherwise.



Oh, and if that wasn't enough, notice "Oliver's" new sig line?

QUOTE: JerryB9105 "The folks at JREF could not dispute this finding."

He's just another phony.
 
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"Yawn"??? I refuse that i´ve read that, Andrew...
I hope you know what you´ve said - you should
repeat it to the victims families... :jaw-dropp

I know Gumboot can speak for himself, but Oliver I think he just means that he has heard the same arguments many times and they have all been disproven many times. He is not disreguarding the victims. He is bored with people saying the same falsehoods over and over again.
 
Appeal to emotions?

"Did you see the movie?" or "How old are you?"

Choose now.

BTW: It would help me to talk in whole
sentences. I guess you was the one
who suggested to talk in english, right?
 
I think Oliver made his proclivities clear with: despite his best attempts at pretending otherwise.

Yes. And i tell you why. Because it looked like
a serious attemp to the 9/11 issue - not all these
speculations about the CT-Stuff... ;)

Added: ...whatever you mean with: "despite his best attempts at pretending otherwise"
Would you tell me what you mean?
 
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Sorry, Oliver, this goes back a while. You'll have to take it up with Childlike. I can't talk any reason into her.
Gravy, what in the hell are you talking about? Please point me to a post where i said anything about questioning the holocaust? This is not adding to your credibility, pal. You try to raise my blood and you know that this is a sensible topic for me. Very low.
 
Yes. And i tell you why. Because it looked like
a serious attemp to the 9/11 issue - not all these
speculations about the CT-Stuff... ;)

I don't believe you. Your sig line gives you away.
 
Childlike, it seems to me that these widdows' anger and frustrations are being influenced by the CTists. You say we mock their efforts, but I'm 10 minutes into the movie and they are using the same CT rethoric and logical fallacies (how can these buildings collapse this way, there has never been a building collapse due to fire, WTC7, etc), the very same BS the CTists are using, the CTists you yourself are calling conn artists.

I'll continue the movie, but it ain't looking good.

No, it is not not the same stuff the people i call con artists are talking about. You think the widdows are lying or are fooled by their own perception? I think they are not because this is the development i was able to follow without direct involvement.
 
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I´m not a political guy at all and i don´t vote either,
but i understand the message of the film in a different
way.


The first 10 minutes of the film primarily deals with a claim of a NORAD stand down - they point out that NORAD were first informed at 0838, and the last aircraft crashed at 1003. One of the women claims that means "nearly 2 hours in which jets were flying around the US and the military did nothing"

Aside from the fact that 0838 to 1003 is 1 hr 25 mins (quite substantially less than 2 hours), their statements are chocka full of falsehoods and deceptive dishonest comments.

It does not bode well for the rest of the documentary. Any documentary on a sensitive topic, that so grossly distorts the truth and makes outright lies is, in my opinion, pure propaganda.

-Andrew
 
Did i missed something? No one is denying the holocaust...
Otherwise i would tell him something... :mad:

Oliver, sometimes as the "new kid in town", it's best to sit back and watch. This is such a time. There are agendas within sub-agendas when you see a thread started by Chide-Like Empress.

Give room and respect the veterans in some cases.
This is a mature forum (as in "has developed") and unless you've read all strings by Gravy and CE, you can't fully understand the players and their comments or attitudes. I've studied them, but I don't presume to speak for anyone on this thread.
 
I know Gumboot can speak for himself, but Oliver I think he just means that he has heard the same arguments many times and they have all been disproven many times. He is not disreguarding the victims. He is bored with people saying the same falsehoods over and over again.


Spot on.

Frankly this doco stinks of exploiting grieving widows and their search for answers. I am disgusted at the documentary makers for such crass political tactics.

Maybe the remainder of the doco will improve...:rolleyes:

-Andrew
 
Gravy, what in the hell are you talking about? Please point me to a post where i said anything about questioning the holocaust? This is not adding to your credibility, pal. You try to raise my blood and you know that this is a sensible topic for me. Very low.

Where is my irony meter?

You do realise that Gravy is doing to you what you have done to everyone here when you accused us of mocking the victims in your opening post, don't you?
 
General:

Calm down, everyone. You have to see the
whole movie to get the message - especially
the last half of it.

I don´t wan´t to annoy anyone in here and
it is okay for me whatever you think about
me - but you should take the time to judge
for your own >after the movie<.

Finally: The Truth is more than the CT-Crap.
 
@Childlike Empress - was meint er damit???

Your sig line.... you know, the one sitting there for all to read? The one that says "The folks at JREF could not dispute this finding."

Oh, and just so you know, quoting one person's query and asking someone else a question (other than translation) in another language in hopes that nobody else will notice is also stupid around here.

Sheesh.

It's amazing how your English skills improve and regress at will depending on the subject matter, depending on individual posts, and depending on your willingness and (in)ability to address the topic at issue.
 
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