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Is religious tolerance a bad idea?

ImaginalDisc said:
Prove it.
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http://artsweb.uwaterloo.ca/~t2watson/proof_of_demons.htm

You are wrong. Read this week's commentary. It seems the Catholic Church just loves spraying its Jesus water on people's faces.
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Yeah. Every time a Catholic walks into a church self-adminstration occurs. Way to go Randi! Who woulda thunk! Catholics putting holy water on their faces! The truth beknown!

*sigh* They believed, and no longer do, offically, that black skin was the mark of Cain, and that dark people were innately evil. For the record, being dark does not make on evil.
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I keep bringin up skin pigments, this is the third time.

You say they no longer do. Fine. Does it have something to do with skin pigments?

[QUOTEIf you say things which are untrue, which you do not know to be true, you are ignorant.[/QUOTE]

I disagree and have no desire to follow up. I no longer care that you think I am ignorant based on your definition, since I disagree with it. If we agreed on a definition I would care, but I don't, so I don't.

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
http://artsweb.uwaterloo.ca/~t2watson/proof_of_demons.htm
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Save your humor for your friends.



Yeah. Every time a Catholic walks into a church self-adminstration occurs. Way to go Randi! Who woulda thunk! Catholics putting holy water on their faces! The truth beknown!
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You obviously didn't even read this week's commentary.



I keep bringin up skin pigments, this is the third time.

You say they no longer do. Fine. Does it have something to do with skin pigments?
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Yes. Dark skin generally has something to do with skin pigmentation.

If you say things which are untrue, which you do not know to be true, you are ignorant.
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I disagree and have no desire to follow up. I no longer care that you think I am ignorant based on your definition, since I disagree with it. If we agreed on a definition I would care, but I don't, so I don't.

-Elliot
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ImaginalDisc said:
Well, our resources are inequitably consumed primarily by the wealthiest populations, not the neediest, and that without heretofore technoligical achievements by people such as Norman Borlaug, we would have already faced a Malthusian crisis.
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Yeah. Exactly. Thomas Malthus. He has been dead for generations. But any day now...it's coming. The Malthusian crisis. Just have to get the year right. Just like those people talking about the Second Coming. Oh they get it wrong when they predict the date. But the *next* announcement...well that one's going to be right. And if that's wrong...well...you just wait. The Second Coming, like the Malthusian Crisis. Any day now. You just wait.

As for...technological achievements. Well there's the kicker. Bastards. If this person didn't come up with this achievement...or that acheivement...but...damn people! People keep on achieving things...technologically. Damn them! Standing in the way of the Malthusian crisis (hallowed be its name). Damn them! We need progress, not technological achievement!

More older people and fewer younger people is an arguement for a more secure and better regulated health care and social security system not an arguement in favor of religion.
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Yes, I agree, it's all a government conspiracy, so they can take over health care.

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
Yeah. Exactly. Thomas Malthus. He has been dead for generations. But any day now...it's coming. The Malthusian crisis. Just have to get the year right. Just like those people talking about the Second Coming. Oh they get it wrong when they predict the date. But the *next* announcement...well that one's going to be right. And if that's wrong...well...you just wait. The Second Coming, like the Malthusian Crisis. Any day now. You just wait.

As for...technological achievements. Well there's the kicker. Bastards. If this person didn't come up with this achievement...or that acheivement...but...damn people! People keep on achieving things...technologically. Damn them! Standing in the way of the Malthusian crisis (hallowed be its name). Damn them! We need progress, not technological achievement!



Yes, I agree, it's all a government conspiracy, so they can take over health care.

-Elliot
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Are you quite finished building your strawman? Hello? Yes? I'm over here, not over there in left field, where you keep going.

Malthusian crisies have been, so far, avoided by heroic technological efforts, not religion. You have made no case in favor of religion.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Save your humor for your friends.
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What, you're not my friend? :(

You obviously didn't even read this week's commentary.
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I skimmed it. I was being silly, but you're not my friend so you don't appreciate that. :(

I'm glad Randi cares about holy water btw. Powerful stuff, so powerful that even gets the Amazing one.

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
What, you're not my friend? :(



I skimmed it. I was being silly, but you're not my friend so you don't appreciate that. :(

I'm glad Randi cares about holy water btw. Powerful stuff, so powerful that even gets the Amazing one.

-Elliot
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I can't believe it. You KEEP talking about this week's commentary, but you refuse to actually read it. Do you take prescription medication to become so willfully ignorant, or is it natural?
 
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elliotfc said:
I think it's generally appreciated that people who attend church regularly tend to have more children. I read recently that Canadian women who attended church regularly were 50% more likely to have 3 or more children than women who didn't attend church regularly.
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Well that only makes sense. Those not attending church are aborting most their pregnancies, so of course they’ll have fewer children. ;)
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Malthusian crisies have been, so far, avoided by heroic technological efforts, not religion. You have made no case in favor of religion.
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It was not my intent to make a case in favor of religion, don't invoke strawman word and do the same in the next sentence.

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
It was not my intent to make a case in favor of religion, don't invoke strawman word and do the same in the next sentence.

-Elliot
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This has been a discussion about religion, the tolerance of. That is the topic. Stick to it.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
I can't believe it. You KEEP talking about this week's commentary, but you refuse to actually read it. Do you take prescription medication to become so willfully ignorant, or is natural?
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As for your question, why don't you tell me. You've make the leap to invoke meds, why stop there. It's amusing, so continue, no reason for me to jump in.

As for the commentary, are you talking about the Amorth bit? I've known about that for a lot longer then you, or Randi, I reckon. Just my opinion. You invoked the blessed commentary in response to the holy water deal. Where exactly does Randi mention holy water in his weekly epistle?

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
As for your question, why don't you tell me. You've make the leap to invoke meds, why stop there. It's amusing, so continue, no reason for me to jump in.

As for the commentary, are you talking about the Amorth bit? I've known about that for a lot longer then you, or Randi, I reckon. Just my opinion. You invoked the blessed commentary in response to the holy water deal. Where exactly does Randi mention holy water in his weekly epistle?

-Elliot
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Firstly, calling it an "epistle" is deeply insulting.

Secondly, from the commentary:

Father Amorth claims that he has performed more than 30,000 exorcisms in his career. That is to say, this educated man has pronounced words over people who think that imaginary demons are infesting their bodies, he has sprinkled charmed water over them, and he has ordered the invaders to go away. Wow. What a wasted life. It’s the year 2006, yet we still have witches, demons, devils, spooks, and banshees from which this man will protect us?
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I've wasted enough time with you.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Firstly, calling it an "epistle" is deeply insulting.
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Right, only Randi can be insulting. Which is why I stopped reading his commentaries. The believers won't see them as insulting. How many people read them by the way? The ubermenschs, a small but hardy breed.

I've wasted enough time with you.
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Yeah, go read some more Randi commentaries. We all need our holy texts.

-Elliot
 
As for Randi, he is ignorant about holy water. It is a sacramental which is not necessary for an exorcism. Only two things are needed to perform an exorcism. But never let the facts get in the way of a Randi zinger. The important thing is dogmatic bluster, the ubermensch acting...well, as only the ubermensch can. It's all chemical, he can't help himself, not making a big deal here.

-Elliot
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Ah. Ignore lists are great.
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They are certainly serviceable. I wouldn't say great...that's pushing it, but you will elevate things to the level of greatness that you need to. It's a tough world, one man's great is another man's justgottadoit.

-Elliot
 
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