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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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einsteen said:
I mean of course /h instead of /s, typo..

Ok with 1 fps I calculated a chance of 50% to get one plane uncrashed in one frame, realistic.

That site I posted at top does some analysis too (also 3d), the guy thinks they removed one frame.
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Sorry, statistics are not my strong suit; how did you come to the 50% chance?
 
Impossible to calculate the chance of capturing it in a frame, without knowing the exact distance from left to right that is covered by the frame for the given path of the aircraft.

TAM
 
Oliver said:
GENERAL QUESTION:

Did anyone see a structural, internal blueprint
of the towers regarding the elevatorshafts and
their arrangement in (horizontal and vertical) and/or
(perspective) view?

Maybe in some books? I can´t find any visual
information in form of illustrations about the
buildings internal structure.

BTW: Or WTC7?

Regards,
Oliver
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There are some diagrams in the NIST/FEMA reports, but the actual blueprints are the property of the Port Authority, which has not released them. This is something some of the deniers harp about as being evidence of a conspiracy.
 
T.A.M. said:
Impossible to calculate the chance of capturing it in a frame, without knowing the exact distance from left to right that is covered by the frame for the given path of the aircraft.

TAM
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You could ball park it though by comparing the camera stills to the known approximate flight path against an aerial photo(or Google Earth) and measuring the far right of the screen to the impact point. The problem is not knowing exactly when the shutter is closing in each of the frames...therefore its not possible to calculate the odds of the entire plane being in the frame..
 
kevin said:
You seen these photos? Click on an image takes you to the high res version.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html

This one show small debris from the plane scattered all over.
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/11.jpg

bigger chunk of airplane debris
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/13.jpg
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*Thank you, Kevin.

I´ve already studied your photos. I try to find more
information about what type of Plane it was, based
on pieces of the outer hull.

Did you see that Photo i mentioned once earlier?

*To Arkan:

Thanks for your help. I´m trying to learn more about
the positions of the elevators. The best case would
be a threedimensional illustration to understand it´s
internal construction. The Nist Illustrations do not
work to get this grasp.

Thanks anyway. :)
 
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Oliver said:
GENERAL QUESTION:

Did anyone see a structural, internal blueprint
of the towers regarding the elevatorshafts and
their arrangement in (horizontal and vertical) and/or
(perspective) view?

Maybe in some books? I can´t find any visual
information in form of illustrations about the
buildings internal structure.

BTW: Or WTC7?

Regards,
Oliver
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i've got some plan view ones somewhere on one of the towers, I'll see if i can dig them up. Note that not all elevators served all floors so there are floors where some shafts have doors on certain floors and some don't.

the WTC wikipedia article has a representation of the vertical but it's not to scale, it just shows some of the elevators that served particular floors.
 
Hey all, haven't read the entire thread (I just got over reading the four threads about Loose Change), but a "truther" im arguing with is stuck on the "buildings fell at free fall speeds" despite my insistance they didn't .

Anyone have a much more "clinical" analysis of the falls of the towers to prove they did not fall at free fall speeds?

Of course, this truther is also using the scholars for truth website, and relying on their claims.
 
apathoid said:
Hi Oliver, welcome to the forum.

He is a great shot if the little "c" in "American" title.
http://911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_171.jpg

Here is a good one of the main landing gear wheel assembly
http://911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_111.jpg

Is this what you are looking for?
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Hello apathoid,

the links don´t work (forbidden) but i think i guess the
pictures you referred.

I´m actually trying to find more evidence about this
scanned picture wich was posted in the Idaho Observer.
Did you see it once earlier - somewhere?
Link:
http://www.voicesofsafety.com/pogonews/2006/images/2006-08-08-IO-Article-pic-1.jpg
 
Arus808 said:
Hey all, haven't read the entire thread (I just got over reading the four threads about Loose Change), but a "truther" im arguing with is stuck on the "buildings fell at free fall speeds" despite my insistance they didn't .

Anyone have a much more "clinical" analysis of the falls of the towers to prove they did not fall at free fall speeds?

Of course, this truther is also using the scholars for truth website, and relying on their claims.
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Just find any photo of the collapse in progress and ask them why the debris is falling faster than the building itself...and if the debris is falling faster than freefall. They dont like that argument, but they havent been able to counter it yet.
 
apathoid said:
Just find any photo of the collapse in progress and ask them why the debris is falling faster than the building itself...and if the debris is falling faster than freefall. They dont like that argument, but they havent been able to counter it yet.
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I did, but he basically ignores it, because its not "scientific" enough for him his excuse is that they were "jetisoned" by explosions, so they were going to travel faster to the ground because of the force .
 
kevin said:
i've got some plan view ones somewhere on one of the towers, I'll see if i can dig them up. Note that not all elevators served all floors so there are floors where some shafts have doors on certain floors and some don't.

the WTC wikipedia article has a representation of the vertical but it's not to scale, it just shows some of the elevators that served particular floors.
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Hello Kevin, this would be wonderful if you find these Illustrations. :)
 
Oliver said:
Hello apathoid,

the links don´t work (forbidden) but i think i guess the
pictures you referred.

I´m actually trying to find more evidence about this
scanned picture wich was posted in the Idaho Observer.
Did you see it once earlier - somewhere?
Link:
http://www.voicesofsafety.com/pogonews/2006/images/2006-08-08-IO-Article-pic-1.jpg
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Hmmm, they work for me. Try refreshing the page after you click the links.

Wow, I've never seen that shot before. To me, the only part of the airplane they could possibly be are the spoilers; those are the only perfectly flat squarish parts of the airplane that I can think of...
 
I may have an interesting idea about
the bombs-story.

Maybe it´s proofable if there where bombs
or not. William Rodriguez talked (and (s)ome
others i dont remind) about the elevator doors,
wich were blown open.

Working 20 Years in the Building, William and
other people should remind which specific
elevator doors were blown.

If not all elevators did reach entireley to the
floors where the planes hit, these doors
should´nt have been blown during the
fireball walking down the shafts, am i right?

It would be helpfull to have blueprints or
someone who knows the towers like Willi.

Regards,
Oliver

*Posted as general, new thread*
 
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Arus808 said:
I did, but he basically ignores it, because its not "scientific" enough for him his excuse is that they were "jetisoned" by explosions, so they were going to travel faster to the ground because of the force .
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You could find a popular youtube/google video clip that shows the collapses in their entirety and record the start and stop times of the collapse, I usally get anywhere from 12-16 seconds...
 
apathoid said:
Hmmm, they work for me. Try refreshing the page after you click the links.

Wow, I've never seen that shot before. To me, the only part of the airplane they could possibly be are the spoilers; those are the only perfectly flat squarish parts of the airplane that I can think of...
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Mhmm, i cleared my cache, cookies and reloaded,
it does not work for me:

"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_171.jpg on this server."
 
Oliver said:
I may have an interesting idea about
the bombs-story.

Maybe it´s proofable if there where bombs
or not. William Rodriguez talked (and (s)ome
others i dont remind) about the elevator doors,
wich were blown open.

Working 20 Years in the Building, William and
other people should remind which specific
elevator doors were blown.

If not all elevators did reach entireley to the
floors where the planes hit, these doors
should´nt have been blown during the
fireball walking down the shafts, am i right?

It would be helpfull to have blueprints or
someone who knows the towers like Willi.

Regards,
Oliver
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You're correct, of course. I'm not certain of this and I think this topic has been covered here before - but there were only 2 elevators that went all the way up to the top from the basement; the utility elevators. I'll see if I can find a link.
 
apathoid said:
You're correct, of course. I'm not certain of this and I think this topic has been covered here before - but there were only 2 elevators that went all the way up to the top from the basement; the utility elevators. I'll see if I can find a link.
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Ops - i thought it was new. :">
I also try to find the thread...
 
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