9-11 Denier Wins Florida Primary

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Robert Bowman, who appeared on the 9-11 Denial panel discussion in Los Angeles that was broadcast on C-Span, has won the Democrats' nomination for US Congress in Florida's 15th District. The good news is that the seat is unlikely to change hands; incumbent Republican Dave Weldon won reelection in 2004 by a 65%-35% margin.

I covered Bowman's appearance on Hannity & Colmes at Screw Loose Change. James B covered his economic views (which are nearly as nutty as his 9-11 theories) over at the Chief Brief.
 
Unfortunately, I think we'll start to see more and more politicians using the 9/11 CT as a platform to gain election, because there's just no denying it's inexplicable popularity.
 
Unfortunately, I think we'll start to see more and more politicians using the 9/11 CT as a platform to gain election, because there's just no denying it's inexplicable popularity.

I doubt any one will win anything, on a CT platform, other than a folded foil cap! It is Florida, where the NWO faked out all the bluehairs, with that butterfly thingee! Unless Do over and crew can start their own dist, I don't see it. The left of the left run from these guys. How much rhetoric of CT ease did this guy use? I bet is wasn't much.It is on his page but, not out front, you have to dig.
 
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I like Hannity's last line when he says that he belongs in his party...

M. Bowman's stance reminds me of one of our politicians here, Amir Khadir, who says pretty much the same thing: He says he doesn't believe any of these alternate theories but in the same breath he says that we shouldn't dismiss these alternate theories and that an independant investigation must be made. What kind of a fallacy is that?

I think as Delphi once wrote, it's the politician fallacy.
 
From the deniers page

The New World Order got its start with Charlie Wilson (chairman of General Motors and later Secretary of Defense) and Krupp Industries in Hitler’s Germany in the 1930s. It got a big push from David Rockefeller in 1960 with the Trilateral Commission, and reached its fruition under George H. W. Bush. It incorporates the IMF, the World Bank, the G-8, and the WTO. It rules the world on behalf of the billionaire industrialists and bankers. It is global capitalism run amok. It manipulates public opinion through its corporate media monopolies. If we can’t take back America, there’s not much hope for the rest of the world.

No Masons, reptiles or any cool Satan stuff. This guy is a rookie!

eta: Trilat was formed in 73'
I am shocked the CTers don't shout about it more.
 
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Hey gang... long time lurker, first time poster.

I live in Robert Bowman's area, and I'm writing a Letter to the Editor of the local papers about his 9/11 Denier activities. Here's what I have so far:

We are approaching the five-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, and there is an important Congressional election this fall.

Dr. Robert Bowman is the Democratic candidate for the House of Representatives in District 15, which includes all of Indian River County. According to his website, Bowman believes that the events of 9/11 were carried out by our own government. He doesn’t believe the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were hit by hijacked planes, and would indict for treason anyone who suggested they were. Dr. Nelson isn’t convinced there were any hijackers. He calls the 9-11 Commission Report a cover-up. He even dares to ask, “if thermite residue found on severed steel beams didn’t bring down the towers, what did?”

As evidence of this extraordinary claim, he cites a variety of long-discredited conspiracy theories: the WTC towers were blown up with thermite (highly impractical, and would leave behind mountains of unmistakable evidence); the government won’t release the Pentagon strike video (it was released months ago); the WTC had billions in gold at its base (a claim taken from an amateur movie that cited Wikipedia, a website anyone can edit, as its source); the hijackers are alive and well (a case of mistaken identity that was resolved days after the attacks); that evidence was destroyed (those who handled WTC debris personally have said otherwise); and other ludicrous conspiracy theories that a small amount of investigation -- or common sense -- would disprove.

It is repulsive to me that any American, regardless of political ideology, would deny the basic facts of what happened on 9/11. To hear it from a local major-party political candidate, with a background in engineering and aviation, is so far beyond the pale that I lack the vocabulary to express my disgust.
I'm mostly concerned about the third paragraph. I want to make sure my answers to his claims are accurate, so there's nothing about my letter that a 9-11 Denier could easily object to in a later letter. I also wanted to encapsulate the ridiculousness of the 9-11 Denier position as best I could, since there's a word limit on these letters.

I appreciate any advice you expert debunkers can give. I'll try to post occasionally with local news on the race, since it's relevant to this forum. As Brainster said, it is a heavily Republican district, and any Dem would be a serious underdog. And I don't think his 9/11 Denial is going to help stem that tide -- we have quite a few New Yorkers here.
 
Never thought I'd see a race where I actually hoped the republican would win. If I were in that FL district I think I'd have to vote libertarian (unless that candidate was a troofer too).
 
Hey gang... long time lurker, first time poster.

I live in Robert Bowman's area, and I'm writing a Letter to the Editor of the local papers about his 9/11 Denier activities. Here's what I have so far:


I'm mostly concerned about the third paragraph. I want to make sure my answers to his claims are accurate, so there's nothing about my letter that a 9-11 Denier could easily object to in a later letter. I also wanted to encapsulate the ridiculousness of the 9-11 Denier position as best I could, since there's a word limit on these letters.

I appreciate any advice you expert debunkers can give. I'll try to post occasionally with local news on the race, since it's relevant to this forum. As Brainster said, it is a heavily Republican district, and any Dem would be a serious underdog. And I don't think his 9/11 Denial is going to help stem that tide -- we have quite a few New Yorkers here.

Check the second paragraph--Dr Nelson?

Third paragraph is good, but I'd change "blown up" with demolished; thermite is not an explosive. Also check to make sure that Bowman himself endorses these theories; remember there are almost as many variants of 9-11 Denial as there are Deniers. Bowman presented himself as agnostic on the subject of Denial on Hannity & Colmes a couple months ago, but that doesn't seem to fit with the video from 2004.
 
Welcome Triterope to the JREF Skeptics Forum on Conspiracy Theories.

I agree with Brainster. You don't want to decrease the credibility of your own reply by misquoting or stating theories that Bowman has't publicly agreed with. That said, I believe he is one of the "Scholars" for 9/11 truth, so I would use what things they believe in, and then work it something like...

"Mr. Bowman is also a Full Time Member of the "Scholars" for 9/11 truth, an organization of Academics, that among other things, believe...." and then start listing some of their theories on the attacks. That way you are linking him to the theories via his endorsement and membership with the group.

TAM
 
Brainster and TAM, thanks for your replies and welcomes. The 9/11 conspiracy theories I cited were all taken directly from the "Issues" page of Bob Bowman's own website, so I feel confident in asserting that these are his beliefs. I chose the ones that were easiest to explain away, since letters to the editor are limited for length. (I can't post a link to Bowman's campaign website, but it's easy enough to find.)

I don't want to focus on his affiliation with 9/11 "Truth" groups for several reasons. First, "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" isn't running for Congress, Bob Bowman is. It is his views, not the organization's views, that are relevant locally. Second, he can quit or deny membership in the organization at any time. Third, describing it as "organization of academics" or some such thing might inadvertently make it sound credible.

What I really want to focus on is his incredible denial about the basic events of the day. Readers of this forum, and other 9/11 debunker sites, spend so much time talking about 9/11 Denial that their claims aren't shocking anymore. But people hearing it the first time are really shocked that anyone would be confused about who or what destroyed the World Trade Center, much less demand treason charges against our own government for it.

I'll keep everyone posted on my efforts.
 
I'm mostly concerned about the third paragraph. I want to make sure my answers to his claims are accurate, so there's nothing about my letter that a 9-11 Denier could easily object to in a later letter. I also wanted to encapsulate the ridiculousness of the 9-11 Denier position as best I could, since there's a word limit on these letters.

How about this: has the Pentagon ever released a video showing the airplane clearly as it approaches the Pentagon?
 
How about this: has the Pentagon ever released a video showing the airplane clearly as it approaches the Pentagon?

First, you have to tell us which of the 84 cameras were pointed in the direction of the approaching airplane, had a high enough resolution, fast enough shutter speed, wide enough field of view, and frame rate better than 1 fps to record the airplane clearly. Then, we'll argue why said video hasnt been released....

Have you filed an FOIA yet or is this simply a typical CTist chimp scream?
 
First, you have to tell us which of the 84 cameras were pointed in the direction of the approaching airplane, had a high enough resolution, fast enough shutter speed, wide enough field of view, and frame rate better than 1 fps to record the airplane clearly. Then, we'll argue why said video hasnt been released....

Have you filed an FOIA yet or is this simply a typical CTist chimp scream?

Since such a video doesn't exist, the anawer is no.

Oh, just ordinary basic common sense, that the Pentagon would have numerous real video cameras -- with better resolution and operating (say) 15 frames/sec -- pointing in all directions. If not those, what about the private videos seized within minutes of the plane hitting the Pentagon? Or videos of the interstate interchange near the path of the plane hitting the Pentagon.

Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html

The claim that no such videos exist is a strong statement, requiring proof.
 
Oh, just ordinary basic common sense, that the Pentagon would have numerous real video cameras -- with better resolution and operating (say) 15 frames/sec -- pointing in all directions.
The Pentagon is not a 7-11. For security it has uniformed armed guards, not security cameras.

If not those, what about the private videos seized within minutes of the plane hitting the Pentagon? Or videos of the interstate interchange near the path of the plane hitting the Pentagon.



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html

The claim that no such videos exist is a strong statement, requiring proof.
Why would a security camera at a gas station be pointing at the Pentagon? More likely, it was pointing at cars filling up to record any gas-and-dash attempts.
 
Oh, just ordinary basic common sense, that the Pentagon would have numerous real video cameras -- with better resolution and operating (say) 15 frames/sec -- pointing in all directions.
Common sense isnt good enough - you need proof these cameras exist and record 15 fps. Even if they do exist, their locations are probably sensitive.

If not those, what about the private videos seized within minutes of the plane hitting the Pentagon?
Talk to the owners of the videos and/or file FOIAs to have to tapes released.
Or videos of the interstate interchange near the path of the plane hitting the Pentagon.
Traffic cam 740?

As far as I can tell, it records at 0.5 fps and is pointed away from the Pentagon. Have a looksie for yourself. Keep hitting the the refresh button..

http://pub2.camera.trafficland.com/...54703242b7f684c70fd584c9ba&0.1932931587067721

Traffic cam 710. Its located 1/4 mile South of the Pentagon and pointed NE. No help whatsoever..
http://pub2.camera.trafficland.com/...710&pubtoken=4e905d54703242b7f684c70fd584c9ba
 
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How about this: has the Pentagon ever released a video showing the airplane clearly as it approaches the Pentagon?

That's not relevant to what he said. Bowman's exact quote is: "Why are they hiding videotapes of whatever hit the Pentagon?" The security-cam video doesn't reveal a lot, I grant you, but to say that "they" have not released videotapes of what hit the Pentagon is a false statement.
 

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