9/11: FDNY Member Says "Definitely" Bombs in Towers?

[valis]

Yes I was.

If what I've done is crazy, then what you do is sick or criminal.

I was trying to stop 9-11 in 1999, but unreasonable ignorant groups of people constantly obfuscated, confused and diffused my efforts.

As far as I can tell the opposition on this board is all on an infiltrated government payroll. Illegal black ops.

Okay I don't post much on this subject but I would be glad to put more effort into it if I could get payed. Could someone PM with details of where to sign up, who to contact etc.? I would really love to get on the gravy train here (no pun intended).

 

[Brainache]

Yeah c'mon Mr Black Ops CIA Guy where's my pay check? I'm on medical benefits how can I pay my rent? The brown envelope full of yankee dollars hasn't shown up yet...

 

[Christopher7]

Chris:

Sorry...LIHOS (Let It Happen Out of Stupidity)...LIHOI (Let It Happen Out of Incompetence)...

Thanx
If you believe that it happened out of stupidity or incompetence then do you think the stupid/incompetents should be fired and perhaps tried for criminal neglence ?

 

[Gravy]

Thanx
If you believe that it happened out of stupidity or incompetence then do you think the stupid/incompetents should be fired and perhaps tried for criminal neglence ?

I think you mean "negligence." Do you believe it's a crime to be stupid or incompetent?

 

[Christopher7]

Do you even read the replies people make?

Or have you already started putting people on ignore?

Myself and Darth Rotor both replied, and told you that no, the Pentagon did NOT have AA capabilities.

Among others.

Yet here you admit that you haven't even read the replies that we've taken the time to type.

Yet, you're here for truth. You're hear to ionvestigate. Yo're here to discuss. But you can't spend 45 seconds to read replies to your questions?



Apology time: I try to read every post and click on every link (that's where most of the info. is) but i do skim sometimes because there's so much.
I just went back and re-read pg 11 and you are right, several people did respond to the AA question.
Gravy: RE-read your Richard Clark post. Point well taken. I'm going to look into this.
Huntsman: You made a very good point about the upper I beam acting as a lever. As to the 'straight line' 2/3 of it is straight and it's possible that the uneven part of it is stuff tha fell on top of it. The question still remains, can tearing steel create enough heat to cause the blue discouoration?
I have done a lot of research, mostly on CT sites. Until i came here the few debunk sites i had read were BS.
By forwarding my beliefs here and getting feedback i have learned some things and plan on continuing to do so.
You have probably noticed that i ignore the insults and respond to that which has value because i am here to debate and learn what the 'other side' has to say.

 

[Christopher7]

I think you mean "negligence." Do you believe it's a crime to be stupid or incompetent?

When 3,000 people die as a result........YES

 

[Gravy]

When 3,000 people die as a result........YES

Who do you think should be prosecuted for negligence, and why?

 

[Belz...]

Read my post again. I adderssed that question.

Do you believe our military leaders are so stupid as to not have a last line of defence?

I believe they're not so stupid as to put anti-aircraft batteries near a civilian airport.

 

[Belz...]

When 3,000 people die as a result........YES

Personally, I'm not sure we could call what happened on the US government's part incompetence. Negligence ? Perhaps. But one admit that the kind of attack the US suffered on 9/11 was unprecedented.

 

[T.A.M.]

Thanx
If you believe that it happened out of stupidity or incompetence then do you think the stupid/incompetents should be fired and perhaps tried for criminal neglence ?

If we the people had to prosecute and/or convict every governement official who was stupid or incompetent, throughout modern history...well lets just say we could watch it daily on court TV...

TAM

 

[60hzxtl]

If we the people had to prosecute and/or convict every governement official who was stupid or incompetent, throughout modern history...well lets just say we could watch it daily on court TV...

TAM

It would have to be on 2 channels, - there's only 24 hours in a day.

 

[tsig]

I guess he's never seen a shear load on a piece of steel cut it like butter. Guess he's never had to work with his hands, and over torque a bolt's head with a torque wrench, and shear the head right off.

I guess he has never used bolt cutters.

DR

Yes.

 

[Architect]

When 3,000 people die as a result........YES

Then do feel free to put your money where your mouth is, and launch a private prosocution....

 

[Pardalis]

Thanx
If you believe that it happened out of stupidity or incompetence then do you think the stupid/incompetents should be fired and perhaps tried for criminal neglence ?

Then the American voters who put them in office should be charged as well don't you think?

 

[Pardalis]

i am here to debate and learn what the 'other side' has to say.

So if you are here to debate and learn, why don't you stick with the OP and debate the controlled demolition theory, which we still haven't finished debating.

 

[Christopher7]

Who do you think should be prosecuted for negligence, and why?

It all comes back to the 5 second video of WTC7 falling straight down.
By the time that building went out of sight i knew it was a controled demolition. That's what got me involved in the so called 'Truth movement'.
I respect your right to see it diffrently but i can't understand the position 'it doesn't look anything like a CD' or 'it's definately not a CD'.
I can appreciate your dificulty in understanding my position and i don't think less of you for your beliefs.
We can debate all the diffrent points like the cut/broken beams ad nasium and where neither of us will sway the other on the basic issue, although i have had to rethink and alter my position on some things because of what i have learned in our discussions.

I don't think this was a case of negligence. I believe Cheney, Rumsfield, et al, knew the attacks were coming, let it happen, and used it to further their quest to control the worlds oil supply.
I know that this is an extreamly serious charge and i woulden't make it if i were not certain. After doing a lot of reading and debating i'm convinced this is the case.
It's incredibly hard to believe that something like this could happen here, in fact my first reaction was denial. It wasen't until i saw the wtc7 collapse again on the History channel a couple months later that it hit home.

I am here debating because this issue will be debated nationally soon and if i'm going to stick my foot in my mouth i'd rather do it here and now so i can get my position absolutely straight for when it really counts.

This the most serious issue any of us will ever face and it's imperative we get it right.

 

[Architect]

Chris,

Is English your first language? Seriously? Because I'm having trouble following some of what you say, and wonder if it's a translation issue.

Architect

 

[tsig]

know

YES

I've read Gravy's posts. Not Proof.

You still won't answer the question: Do you think D.C had no anti aircraft misels?

T.A.M. LIHOS/LIHOI ?

I've got to go to work now. Be back later.

I know that D. C. had no misels because I scouted it for the mission. Allah Akbar

PN

 

[Pardalis]

It all comes back to the 5 second video of WTC7 falling straight down.

No it doesn't. There are multiple witnesses and video that show how the WTC7 building was extremely damaged (do you want me to post Gravy's post again?).

By the time that building went out of sight i knew it was a controled demolition.

Respectfully, you don't know a thing about controlled demolitions, neither do I. Controlled demolition experts have said that the idea of a CD is ludicrous.

That's what got me involved in the so called 'Truth movement'.

That's because you have a confirmation bias, a genuine distrust in your government, at least the Bush administration. You have to be able to free yourself of this bias and see things objectively. Your distrust in Bush is understandable, even merited, but you need to come back to reality and find another democratic way to protest his policies.

I respect your right to see it diffrently but i can't understand the position 'it doesn't look anything like a CD' or 'it's definately not a CD'.

I can appreciate your dificulty in understanding my position and i don't think less of you for your beliefs.

These aren't beliefs, these are observations based on facts and evidence.

I don't think this was a case of negligence. I believe Cheney, Rumsfield, et al, knew the attacks were coming, let it happen, and used it to further their quest to control the worlds oil supply.
I know that this is an extreamly serious charge and i woulden't make it if i were not certain. After doing a lot of reading and debating i'm convinced this is the case.

emphasis mine.

Wrong. What you have is a belief based on a confirmation bias. And this belief was accentuated by your reading flawed and ultra-biased sources and conspiracy theory sites.

It's incredibly hard to believe that something like this could happen here, in fact my first reaction was denial. It wasen't until i saw the wtc7 collapse again on the History channel a couple months later that it hit home.

emphasis mine.

Don't you see that you show the same behaviour as a converted cult person?

This the most serious issue any of us will ever face and it's imperative we get it right.

Amen to that.

 

[R.Mackey]

It all comes back to the 5 second video of WTC7 falling straight down.
By the time that building went out of sight i knew it was a controled demolition. That's what got me involved in the so called 'Truth movement'.
I respect your right to see it diffrently but i can't understand the position 'it doesn't look anything like a CD' or 'it's definately not a CD'.
I can appreciate your dificulty in understanding my position and i don't think less of you for your beliefs.

This isn't an issue of belief. Firefighters on the scene knew, for hours, that it was going to fall. They could see the damage. The actual mechanics of collapse are more complicated than you claim, and are consistent with the story on the ground.

Your "belief" is, in reality, nothing more than a "belief" that you, watching the collapse remotely on TV from some unknown, sub-optimal angle, are more qualified to understand the collapse than people on scene who handled the situation up close and personal.

That's not belief, that's arrogant, willful ignorance.