Loose Change - Part IV

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I am not sure, I think the ten seconds thing is a myth. As to whether it is a classical score, I am not sure, but like you said the performance probably isn't. It is the the heavy piano part that repeats as they are helicoptering around, then the dance beat comes in, and some music over it, but throughout the whole thing is that "dum dum dumdumdum" piano that was in Kill Bill Vol#2.
 
T.A.M. said:
It is hard to tell with all the thing sthat get brought up here...but did anyone recognize the opening music in Loose Change, when they are helicoptering around the Statue of Liberty.

I am not a big Tarantino fan, but I was just this minute watching TV, and Kill Bill Volume #2 is on. It is at the point where Uma Thurman and Daryl Hannah are standing off against each other in the shack...and low and behold what music comes on...

that familiar..dum dum dumdum....dum dum dumdum...from the intro shot in LC...

Is this old news, and if so, isn't that another copyright infringement.

TAM
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Are they identical? IIRC, Dylan's buddy did the sound track. Maybe he "remixed" that song.
 
ok, fair enough, if he did, but don't you need permission to use other peoples music, even in a re-mix?

If not, then I should start mixing other peoples stuff and selling it.
 
the part I am referring to are identical in terms of the musical content, but the performance may be by two different recording artists...impossible to tell, but I just listened to it on Kill Bill Vol #2 on TV, tehn came into my computer, wnet to LC and listened, and they are pretty much identical.

Did my own little search over at the LC forum, and found this...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1826

So apparently it was just another song given to D.A. by Swai on a CD. Others on the site have posted that it is from Kill Bill vol 2. Another said that the Kill Bill music in question, was originally from the "Navajo Joe" Soundtrack by Ennio Morricone from 1966. Its name is "Il Profilo Del Destino". That is all well and good, as I am sure that The studio that made Kill Bill Vol #2 would have bought rights to use it...the question is, did Dylan. given he thinks it is just another song from Swai, he probably didn't. Sounds like another potential suit coming Dylan's way...
 
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T.A.M. said:
the part I am referring to are identical in terms of the musical content, but the performance may be by two different recording artists...impossible to tell, but I just listened to it on Kill Bill Vol #2 on TV, tehn came into my computer, wnet to LC and listened, and they are pretty much identical.

Did my own little search over at the LC forum, and found this...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1826

So apparently it was just another song given to D.A. by Swai on a CD. Others on the site have posted that it is from Kill Bill vol 2. Another said that the Kill Bill music in question, was originally from the "Navajo Joe" Soundtrack by Ennio Morricone from 1966. Its name is "Il Profilo Del Destino". That is all well and good, as I am sure that The studio that made Kill Bill Vol #2 would have bought rights to use it...the question is, did Dylan. given he thinks it is just another song from Swai, he probably didn't. Sounds like another potential suit coming Dylan's way...
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Where do I send a letter?

BTW anything ever come of the use of Joe's Apartment footage? I sent snail and e-mail to all the interested parties.
 
I would guess to the company/studio that produced the original "Navajo Joe" soundtrack.

...or to Ennio Morricone, who is credited with the soundtrack for "Navajo Joe" and that song in particular, which is translated into english as "Silluoette of Doom" I believe...
 
Submersible said:
...I was a firefighter for 12 years, an iron worker for almost 2 years and I've been running cranes for the last 6 years... mostly hanging iron.
So tell me something, with that kind of experience does anybody in this forum or the other "professionals" who gave their accounts of the WTC events have equal or better qualifications than me?
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Are you a structural engineer? Yes or no.

It turns my stomach that most of you can see three buildings demolished and your too smart to see that because the USG or NIST's WRITTEN claims are different, and you also claim to KNOW what happened unlike the "truth seekers".
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It "turns [your] stomach?"

Just incase you didn't understand this, WE are All ONE, and it disgust me that most of you still don't see that either.
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It "disgust [sic]" you?

I would assume that more of you would have the ability to see through the "programming" we have been exposed to in this country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTNc1karwHM&mode=related&search=
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I for one am not interested in listening to you lecture from atop your elevated saddle.

I understand it must be difficult to promote your idea(s) when you have no evidence on your side. So naturally your type will resort to obfuscation. Stop.

Since most of your minds don't register the fact the WTC towers were taken down by controlled demolition...
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The "fact?" I don't think that word means what you think it means.

...it probably hasn't dawned on you that the flag of israel flies next to the american flag at the white house either.
You'll get it one day. ;)
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Irrationality noted.
 
Submersible said:
Since most of your minds don't register the fact the WTC towers were taken down by controlled demolition, it probably hasn't dawned on you that the flag of israel flies next to the american flag at the white house either.
You'll get it one day. ;)
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Where is this? Do you have a picture of this (from a time other than at a photo op where an Israeli diplomat is present)? Or are you speaking metaphorically?
 
Shrinker said:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/361744f9454a180aa.gif[/qimg]

The official Loose Change website is #20. Good work skeptics.
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Just saw this. I did the same search yesterday, and the LC forum was the 50th result. Just did the same search again, and it's now 79th.

Note, Screw Loose Change is now first (JREF is 3rd).
 
orphia nay said:
I'm trying to think of a suitable analogy... like trying to drive a 0.5cm tack in with a sledgehammer?
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No... that's not right. (I got confused by the persistent thought I have that Alex Jones is as dumb as a box of hammers.)

I think I mean something more like trying to drive a 0.5cm rubber tack in with a sledgehammer made of foam.
 
Submersible said:
I was a firefighter for 12 years, an iron worker for almost 2 years and I've been running cranes for the last 6 years... mostly hanging iron.

So tell me something, with that kind of experience does anybody in this forum or the other "professionals" who gave their accounts of the WTC events have equal or better qualifications than me?
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I don't know why you put quotation marks around the word professionals. Do you not respect professionalism?

Yes, there are thousands of professionals who were, and many who still are, directly involved in the 9/11 investigations. They are more qualified than you to say what happened and why, and I certainly value their expertise more than your uninformed opinions.

Here are just a few of their findings relating to WTC 7.

Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event.

We have spoken with several who possess extensive experience in explosive demolition, and all reported seeing or hearing nothing to indicate an explosive detonation precipitating the collapse.

As one eyewitness told us, "We were all standing around helpless...we knew full well it was going to collapse. Everyone there knew. You gotta remember there was a lot of confusion and we didn't know if another plane was coming...but I never heard explosions like demo charges. We knew with the damage to the building and how hot the fire was, that building was gonna go, so we just waited, and a little later it went. " http://tinyurl.com/m5kf5
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NIST’s lead investigator Shyam Sunder weighs in on the damage to WTC 7:
Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner. http://tinyurl.com/j7vrn
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Firefighters on WTC 7:
"The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC 7] building. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building’s integrity was in serious doubt.” –Daniel Nigro, Chief of Operations at WTC on 9/11. [Fire Engineering, 10/2002]

“So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good. But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too.

Then we received an order from Fellini, we’re going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn’t look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn’t really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I’m standing next to said, that building doesn’t look straight. So I’m standing there. I’m looking at the building. It didn’t look right, but, well, we’ll go in, we’ll see.

So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandeis came running up. He said forget it, nobody’s going into 7, there’s creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned. ?– Capt. Chris Boyle http://tinyurl.com/e7bzp

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. ... I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day [sic] we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski http://tinyurl.com/jbg8l

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department http://tinyurl.com/g8c6y

"Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed." - Chief Cruthers http://tinyurl.com/gy2f9

"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess." - Lieutenant William Ryan http://tinyurl.com/kptv2

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?
?Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?
?Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day. – Capt. Chris Boyle http://tinyurl.com/eofwh

Hayden: By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?

Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out?

Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. –Deputy Chief Peter Hayden http://tinyurl.com/zwtrs

WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC Towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there.* [Firehouse Magazine, 8/02]

“The firefighters made the decision fairly early on not to attempt to fight the fires, due in part to the damage to WTC 7 from the collapsing towers.” FEMA WTC BPS, 5/1/2002, pp. 5-21

Battalion Chief John Norman later recalls, "At the edge of the south face you could see that it is very heavily damaged." [Firehouse Magazine, 5/02]

“The consensus was that it was basically a lost cause and we should not lose anyone else trying to save it.” Along with some others, he goes inside WTC 7 and yells up the stairwells to the fire fighters, “Drop everything and get out." September 11th," Dean Murphy, 2002, pp. 175-176]
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Is there some reason we should value your opinion over the findings of these experts who were on the scene?
 
Submersible said:
I can appreciate that many of you are atheist, but I would love to know how many of you still associate the name of God with Allah.
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God, Allah, Shiva, Zeus. 'Tis all the same thing to me.

I was a firefighter for 12 years, an iron worker for almost 2 years and I've been running cranes for the last 6 years... mostly hanging iron.
So tell me something, with that kind of experience does anybody in this forum or the other "professionals" who gave their accounts of the WTC events have equal or better qualifications than me?
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How many buildings did you build or demolish in your time as a firefighter ?

It turns my stomach that most of you can see three buildings demolished and your too smart to see that because the USG or NIST's WRITTEN claims are different, and you also claim to KNOW what happened unlike the "truth seekers".
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Okay, I'm not sure that was a sentence. I, for one, do not deny that I saw 3 buildings be demolished, that day. The demolitions were even planned, though I'm sure the terrorists didn't expect #7 to come down.

Just incase you didn't understand this, WE are All ONE, and it disgust me that most of you still don't see that either.
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What the hell kind of stupid new age tripe is that ?

I would assume that more of you would have the ability to see through the "programming" we have been exposed to in this country.
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Again, forgetting that a lot of posters here aren't from the US.

Since most of your minds don't register the fact the WTC towers were taken down by controlled demolition
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Register ? Large planes flew into the buildings. THAT doesn't seem to register with SOME people.

, it probably hasn't dawned on you that the flag of israel flies next to the american flag at the white house either.
You'll get it one day. ;)
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Not sure exactly where you're taking this one.
 
Submersible said:
That's right, most of you have faith in spontaneous combustion.
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You ARE aware that this is a skeptics forum, rihgt ?

Are ya'll claiming that the firefighters and the other first responders on the scene when the towers fell were lying in their LC interviews ?
Because they certainly did describe what the videos show, a series of explosion, ,,explosions, ,,explosions.
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Which doesn't mean there were explosives, ,,explosives, ,,explosives.

It's just an unfortunate consequence that so many religious people are suffering for our ignorance. I think it's because we have injested entirely too much formaldehyde, methanol, and freak amino acid from our primary sources of food.
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You can ingest as much as you want. Food doesn't make you ignorant. Refusal to learn does.
 
meanwhile back over in battyland (LC FORUM)...

Phil Jayhan responding to Nazi wannabe Beastman:

The Zionist ovement is controlled by the International Cult of Lucifer and Luciferianism.

Don't blame Jews for this, as it isn't their faults. It is the fault of the majority of people who are ognorant of them, and their designs....

Check out this link and you might feel more at home;

http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb...wforum.php?f=17

For your viewing pleasure, please turn your dial to:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12075&view=getnewpost

TAM
 
BTW anything ever come of the use of Joe's Apartment footage? I sent snail and e-mail to all the interested parties.
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Would you mind enlightening me on this? Does anyone have a page on the documented or potential copyright infringements in LC? It seems this would be a good thing to show to news organizations that interview our 9/11 experts from the forum.
 
Well there is the obvious Naudet brothers footage which they used I believe 15 times in the original LC. Not sure the status of the alleged suit on that one.

What we were discussing above was the intro music in the current and previous LC films.

the heavy Piano you hear as they are helicoptering around the Statue of liberty is from the 1966 film "Navajo Joe" and was written and performed by Ennio Morricone. That song in particular, is translated into english as "Silluoette of Doom" I believe...

If it was written after copyright laws were in effect, which I believe it was, than even if their guy...SWAE hammered out the piano chords himself, they still need to get permission to use the music, as far as I know...
 
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