Loose Change - Part IV

[JamesB]

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The official Loose Change website is #20. Good work skeptics.

Yeah, earlier someone was complaining about that, so they were discussing raising money to buy google ads to promote the forum. I posted an official apology for helping to push them down the listings on SLC.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Yeah, earlier someone was complaining about that, so they were discussing raising money to buy google ads to promote the forum. I posted an official apology for helping to push them down the listings on SLC.

i once considered buying some google ads for promote the SLC forums, i though it would have been funny to get SLC advertised on the LC forums

 

[LashL]

You know, here at post 14, I'm really getting annoyed with this no URL posting rule. I just typed out a response to this, incidentally quoting the whole quote (is that redundant?), and had the entire reply wiped out because I didn't take out the URL. Urrrgh.

Jennie: Yes, that would be frustrating to have your post wiped out for including the url but, on the up side, you are now at the point where it won't ever happen again

There must be something in us all (female-types included) that likes smashing sand castles, because it's fun to watch big thing being blown up (on purpose, that is). Of course, my granddaughters howl with glee when they knock down towers of blocks that I build, and so do I (when they do it, i mean).

Yes, there is something fascinating about it, isn't there? And it seems to be pretty much universal. There's a site (implosion world, I think) that has a number of videos of its demolitions.

Found it: http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=7&reqItemId=20030317140323

EDIT: I had the wrong site and link but that one should be correct now
Enjoy!

And there've been requests from the JREFers to (mostly) Geggy for Real Live Controlled Demolitions that Look Like the WTC's going down. And guess what. To my inexperienced eyes, this building doesn't look Anything Like the WTC's. But what do I know, not only am I just a lowly admin, while Geggy is a .... err.... did he ever say what he does?

I agree with you. I am not a demolitions expert either, (nor, I suspect, is Geggy) but so far as I know, no controlled demolition experts have come out and said that they believe the WTC towers, nor building 7 for that matter, were taken out by CDs.

 

[Brainster]

The "Youth Forum" over at Looser Central is another gold mine. First, note the caution on the front page of the forum:

Youth for 9/11 Truth
21 and Under share their thought on 9/11. 21 and Under only please. This is their forum. Not for Adults.

As you can probably guess, this warning has no effect on the Deniers. Check out what happens when a questioning youth shows up. It's not long before the "grown-ups" horn in on the discussion:

Daniels:

This is a troll post if ever I've seen one, complete with psuedo misspellings.

Yeah, cause trolls always misspell pseudo.

Crazy Blade does his Chuck Sheen imitation:

I strongly advise you to take a look at Universal Seed. If you still have questions after looking at the material there, come back and ask questions.

Daniels:

If he's a fence sitter he shouldn't be on a 9/11 Truth forum.

If he's a troll he shouldn't be on a 9/11 Truth forum.

Why would ANYONE come to a forum that they totally don't believe in?

Yep, even though most of the mods over there will tell you they don't totally believe in Loose Change. Anyway, after that all the "adults" show up--Roxdog, Sanders, etc.

 

[LashL]

That's not taken from a helicopter, it's taken from a nearby (taller) building.

Thanks CurtC. I must have confused it with another version that I saw previously that was filmed from a news helicopter.

 

[LashL]

As found in the IHT. The writer makes it clear in this section that he doesn't have much agreement with the nutbars:



Superb article with excellent argumentation.

Jim Dwyer is a co-author of the book "102 Minutes" and he personally interviewed hundreds of survivors and rescuers, so he certainly knows a lot more about what happened than any given thousand CTers combined. I always enjoy his articles on the subject.

Nice find, Brainster.

 

[Class]

The "Youth Forum" over at Looser Central is another gold mine.

That thread is a riot. The laughs start coming when MichaelMR says

Do you remember the JFK incident when they all shouted Lee Harvey Oswald (Zarqawi is our Oswald in this scenario.) did it? Go watch Oliver Stones film that's narrated by James Earl Jones, it's the truth and it has been accepted regardless of how people shot down the conspiracy theorists. Why? Because it's the truth. The government pulled that off. So, you can come here and tell me your base belief is what the government tell you and I'll immediately question it. Why? Because we've been lied to SO much in the past that it's blatant stupidity to wholeheartedly accept anything these people say without questioning it.

Bolding mine.

Um, if a conspiracy theory is "shot down", doesn't that mean it has been proven to be false? But boy, "It's the truth" is a good reason to explain why something is the truth.

Thread gets funnier as it goes along, thanks for making me laugh!

 

[Submersible]

False. No-one is at war with Islam. No-one claims to be at war with Islam, except of course "truth" seekers and terrorists.

You certainly make me feel intelligent enough to post here more often.
http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/thetimeisnow.html

I can appreciate that many of you are atheist, but I would love to know how many of you still associate the name of God with Allah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxsL_1i9CZQ

How bloody stupid can one person be? Have you bothered to check interviews with personnel on the scene before and after WTC 7 collapsed? Have you bothered to check other video and photographs besides that particular clip? What are your qualifications for your video analysis (INSERT: NONE)?

I was a firefighter for 12 years, an iron worker for almost 2 years and I've been running cranes for the last 6 years... mostly hanging iron.
So tell me something, with that kind of experience does anybody in this forum or the other "professionals" who gave their accounts of the WTC events have equal or better qualifications than me?

It turns my stomach that most of you can see three buildings demolished and your too smart to see that because the USG or NIST's WRITTEN claims are different, and you also claim to KNOW what happened unlike the "truth seekers".
Just incase you didn't understand this, WE are All ONE, and it disgust me that most of you still don't see that either.

I would assume that more of you would have the ability to see through the "programming" we have been exposed to in this country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTNc1karwHM&mode=related&search=

Since most of your minds don't register the fact the WTC towers were taken down by controlled demolition, it probably hasn't dawned on you that the flag of israel flies next to the american flag at the white house either.
You'll get it one day.

 

[Pardalis]

Hey bubba, this is not about religion, it's about facts. No facts prove that the WTC towers were brought down by demolition charges, NONE.

 

[sleahead]

Submersible, could your mind register just this one fact, please:

The report brought to light one little-known detail about the morning: a private demolition monitoring firm, Protec Documentation Services, had seismographs at several construction sites in Lower Manhattan and Brooklyn.

Those machines documented the tremors of the falling towers, but captured no ground vibrations before the collapses from demolition charges or bombs, according to a separate report by Brent Blanchard, the director of field operations for Protec. It is available online at www.implosionworld.com

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Did you see on the news that we are all being warned once again to convert to Islam? http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/hagmann090106.htm

The message, reportedly titled "An Invitation to Islam"...
Analysts expect the video message to be yet another veiled warning to convert to Islam or "suffer the consequences,"

Is this FBI code to tell fellow Americans that the Empire State Building is coming down this Sept. 11?/sarcasm

How do the Loosers ignore things like this too:
http://www.nysun.com/article/38893

The Britains are attacking themselves???

One deep-seated problem arises from the doctrine that all humanity is born Muslim. This implies not only proselytizing among non-Muslims, but laying claim to those who have yet to convert to Islam.

Everywhere you see "Islamic bookshops" which sell not only the Koran, usually described as "the last testament," but also poisonous anti-Semitic and anti-Christian propaganda. That is unacceptable.
In a free society, all religions enjoy the right not only to practice but also to pass on their faith to the next generation and to make new converts. I wonder, however, if these rights are being abused in Britain today. There have been a number of horrible "honor killings" of Muslim women by their fathers or brothers, as punishment for marrying or even associating with non-Muslims. These barbaric murders are rarely condemned in public by Islamic clerics.

How do the Loosers reason through all these problems in other countries? The FBI blew up british subways??

 

[Pardalis]

There are political and religious subforums for such a debate. This thread has to do with Loose Change and the conspiracy theories, not religion.

 

[Submersible]

http://www.zombietime.com/flight_93_memorial_project/

Oh, it's not about religion ?

That's right, most of you have faith in spontaneous combustion.

http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/wtc_collapse1.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

Are ya'll claiming that the firefighters and the other first responders on the scene when the towers fell were lying in their LC interviews ?
Because they certainly did describe what the videos show, a series of explosion, ,,explosions, ,,explosions.

 

[Pardalis]

Because they certainly did describe what the videos show, a series of explosion, ,,explosions, ,,explosions.

You can repeat that mantra forever, it doesn't make it true.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Hmm, what does a building sound like when it falls down? Are they actual explosions though, or the sound of things booming on down? When one floor smacks against another and on down like a chain reaction of dominoes until you get down to the other floors crumpling under the weight of it all, you're going to hear something. That DOES NOT MEAN there are explosives planted in the building.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

There are political and religious subforums for such a debate. This thread has to do with Loose Change and the conspiracy theories, not religion.

This is all related. Al Queada (bin laden) coordinated the attacks on the trade centre, not the US. My post outlines why the Loosers are so damn wrong in their Looser conspiracy theories.

Bin Laden is "justified" in any coordinated attacks because he DID warn us to convert to Islam. He won't be punished in his afterlife for killing people in the WTC attacks.

 

[Submersible]

Did you see on the news that we are all being warned once again to convert to Islam? http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/hagmann090106.htm


It would appear as if they definitely have some "stroke" in this country.
http://www.zombietime.com/flight_93_memorial_project/
Maybe it is because one "sector" of the Muslim world has control of this nations greatest need and addiction, and the other Muslim groups are paying the consequences of OUR affection for war and gasoline.

There are political and religious subforums for such a debate. This thread has to do with Loose Change and the conspiracy theories, not religion.

It's just an unfortunate consequence that so many religious people are suffering for our ignorance. I think it's because we have injested entirely too much formaldehyde, methanol, and freak amino acid from our primary sources of food.
Don't take that as an insult, maybe you can use it as an excuse one day.

 

[Pardalis]

This is all related. Al Queada (bin laden) coordinated the attacks on the trade centre, not the US. My post outlines why the Loosers are so damn wrong in their Looser conspiracy theories.

With all due respect, I think your playing into Submersible game. He wants this to be a debate about the West being at war with Islam. This thread is about the facts of 9/11 and the many errors and fallacies of Loose Change and the CT's, and the arrogance of the CT crowd.

 

[Pardalis]

It's just an unfortunate consequence that so many religious people are suffering for our ignorance. I think it's because we have injested entirely too much formaldehyde, methanol, and freak amino acid from our primary sources of food.

I have no idea what this means.

 

[sleahead]

Jones has been adding some funny new additions to his paper.
The new firefighter photos I guess are suposed to be looking at the hot thermite. LOL!!

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Blast from the past....here is an old version of Jones paper where he still had the contrast adjusted Rob Miller photo before we caught him. LOL!!
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/WTC-Jones19mar06.htm

Kent, A very similar scene to the second of the new Jones photographs appears in the Naudet brothers film, which was shown again here in the U.K. tonight. Those firefighters are not looking into a "yellow-white hot core" as Jones describes. They are, in fact, shining powerful lights into a void in the hope of discovering survivors or recovering bodies. I think Jones might be playing games with this image, too. I'd like to know where he got it from. He attributes it as coming from a BBC website, but it is not there.