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9/11: FDNY Member Says "Definitely" Bombs in Towers?

gumboot said:
Another thing you should look up is the Kader Toy Factory fire, May 10, 1993, Thailand. Three steel-frame 4 storey buildings suffered total collapse from fire alone. Building 2 collapsed in 15 minutes.

-Andrew
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If you read the whole article it says that the building didn't even meet Bangock's (sp) minimal building standards.
 
T.A.M. said:
That is a good find gumboot, but most CTers will simply say they are not highrise buildings, blah blah blah
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Right again. The taller the building, the beefer the lower framework.

Also, wtc5 was fully involved and didn't completely collapse.
 
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There's NO proof that the debris damage and fire caused wtc7 to collapse completely.
There were only a few scattered fires on the west, north and ease sides of wtc7.
The debris and fire damage wluld have resulted in a collapse like Ok. city, not a global collapse.
Since CD's are the only known cause for global collapse of modern steel frame high rise buildings in the USA, that possibility should be considered.
 
Pardalis said:
Show me proof.

Have you read Gravy's post I just linked to you BTW, especially this part http://911myths.com/wtc7moresmoke.avi ?
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I have seen this video. It is NOT proof of a global collapse. Perhaps one like Ok city.

There is NO proof that wtc7 suffered a GLOBAL collapse. Yet you keep insisting i provied proof for the only known cause of a global collapse.

Will you acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that wtc7 could have been a CD?
 
Gravy said:
I absolutely will. As soon as you provide evidence. Good luck with that.
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How about the molten metal in the basement or the eyewhitness testimony saying they hear expolsions and the bottom floor blew out. If i go find the statements will you reject them out of hand like the fact that wtc7 looks like a CD?
 
Christopher7 said:
How about the molten metal in the basement or the eyewhitness testimony saying they hear expolsions and the bottom floor blew out. If i go find the statements will you reject them out of hand like the fact that wtc7 looks like a CD?
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Show me a CD that produced molten metal in a basement. Just one will do. Thanks.
 
Christopher7:

1. I am glad you are open minded enough to have revised your statement (unlike most of your CT counterparts, who will not). However, your presente revision only holds true, if you have proven those two other buildings mentioned in the article I showed you were not in the USA.

2. I am willing to admit that WTC7 was POSSIBLY, but VERY UNLIKELY brought down by a CD. I am also willing to admit that it is POSSILBE, but VERY UNLIKELY that someone painted each of the steel beams in WTC7 with a new paint that ate away at the beams over 5-6 hours, and then forced the collapse...you get my drift. Without proof, there are a tonne of POSSIBLE, but VERY UNLIKELY causes...Given the qualifications of the NIST investigators, I will almost certainly agree with what ever conclusion they come to in their final report as the "MOST LIKELY" cause of the collapse of WTC7.

3. Wasn't there a huge cache of fuel in the basement/bottom floor of WTC7 that exploded and caused fires...or am I wrong? Wouldnt that explain the explosion...the molten metal, I believe is from WTC 1&2 debris, not WTC7.

4. As for "Global" collapse, I do not think that happened, in the traditional sense. WHile the entire building came down, not all of it collapsed at once. Looking at the debris field, one can see that the SOUTH SIDE Collapsed, and the North Face of the building fell over this debris, like a blanket, almost intact...Depends, I guess, on the official description of the term "Global" collapse.

TAM
 
Christopher7 said:
If you read the whole article it says that the building didn't even meet Bangock's (sp) minimal building standards.
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Um... for fire safety. Not for structural integrity. It lacked sprinklers and insulation on the steel.

The buildings were structurally sound. There was a fire. And they totally collapsed. Steel buildings collapse from fire.

-Andrew
 
Christopher7 said:
There's NO proof that the debris damage and fire caused wtc7 to collapse completely.
There were only a few scattered fires on the west, north and ease sides of wtc7.
The debris and fire damage wluld have resulted in a collapse like Ok. city, not a global collapse.
Since CD's are the only known cause for global collapse of modern steel frame high rise buildings in the USA, that possibility should be considered.
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I really don't think you appreciate how extensive the damage and fires were. And have you forgotten the enormous frikken fuel tank in the building?

-Andrew
 
Christopher7 said:
I have seen this video. It is NOT proof of a global collapse. Perhaps one like Ok city.
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I think you're confused. Oklahoma City was the one that had explosives, not WTC7. Oklahoma City didn't totally collapse. WTC7 did.

-Andrew
 
Christopher7 said:
Other than 9-11, no modern steel frame high rise building has completely collapsed in the USA due to fire.
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Oh I can play this game. Other than 9-11, no modern steel frame high rise building AT LEAST 100 floors high has completely collapsed in lower manhattan due to fire.

Wow. Amazing.

Wait. WTC1 and 2 didn't collapse due to fire. That's right. There was that whole thing with the FRIKKEN WIDE-BODY AIRLINERS BEING FLOWN INTO THEM AT 500MPH!!!!!

I wonder if that had anything to do with the collapse...:rolleyes:

As soon as you make claims about buildings collapsing "due to fire" you are being dishonest.

Let's try this scenario. No steel-framed skyscraper that has been hit by a commercial airliner at high speed has EVER remained standing. Not once, in human history.

-Andrew
 
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