Loose Change - Part IV

[Mr. Skinny]

why is it that none of these CTers realize fusion devices have a minimum yeild in the hundreds of kilotons (thats 10-20 times a "hiroshima bomb")

anyone see one of these in new york?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/ops/images/nagasaki-001.jpg

Yes, but it is clearly too large to have come from the World Trade Center. The mushroom cloud came from an explosion near the WTC caused by an ordnance explosion to make it look like the WTC was struck by a plane.

That photo was Photoshopped, as you can tell, as there is no burnt grass or other vegitation at the base of the WTC.

You guys will never prove your theory.

Edited to remove redundancy repetition.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I did have a look at the yield of a suitcase size nuke. The smallest nuclear weapon is the W54 Davy Crockett, yield 0.01 Kilotonnes, so that's 10 tonnes of conventional explosives, or just over 2.5 on the richter scale.

Except that's not on the seismograph readings.

if it was suspended in the middle of the building it might register lower (c'mon truthers! were actually HELPING you sound less rediculous here!)

i would imagine they could also reduce the ground shaking by directing the blast in one direction or another so the shockwave doesnt transfer to the ground

but im sure the truthers would rather stick with the nano-fusion lo-rad hushaboom vibro-damping device

 

[Johnny Pixels]

if it was suspended in the middle of the building it might register lower (c'mon truthers! were actually HELPING you sound less rediculous here!)

i would imagine they could also reduce the ground shaking by directing the blast in one direction or another so the shockwave doesnt transfer to the ground

but im sure the truthers would rather stick with the nano-fusion lo-rad hushaboom vibro-damping device

And the collapse still started at the top, so any idea of maassive bombs, is still no good. It's not the size, it's how you use it...

 

[defaultdotxbe]

And the collapse still started at the top, so any idea of maassive bombs, is still no good. It's not the size, it's how you use it...

well my reasoning would be they used th ebomb to blow out the impact point and initiate the collapse

but you still cant make truthers happy, this assumes the collapse of the floors above impacts had enough potential energy to take the collapse all the way to the ground

 

[Mr. Skinny]

if it was suspended in the middle of the building it might register lower (c'mon truthers! were actually HELPING you sound less rediculous here!)

*ahem* It's ridiculous, as in "subject to ridicule". Not to get on you in particular, defaultdotxbe, but I see this on JREF and from "truthers" alike. [/pedant]

Pet peeve. And I'm an engineer. As a group, I think we suck at grammar and spelling.

 

[Hellbound]

Well, there is a problem with small nukes, though. The percentage of energy released from a nuke is split into blast, flash (heat), and radiation. As a nuke gets smaller, more of it's energy goes into radiation than blast or flash. So even a briefcase nuke would deposit a significant radiation hazard.

 

[mrfreeze]

But see, that's why the people working at ground zero got so sick later on! It all fits! Fight the Illuminati!

Although how true is it that rescue workers are getting ill?

 

[Johnny Pixels]

well my reasoning would be they used th ebomb to blow out the impact point and initiate the collapse

but you still cant make truthers happy, this assumes the collapse of the floors above impacts had enough potential energy to take the collapse all the way to the ground

Oh, there'd be so much heat and light, and radiation and death. People would've been blinded, blistered, the dust wouldn't have fallen down, the resulting heat would've caused a fireball to rise up, drawing up the air and dust beneath it in a massive convection current, forming the mushroom cloud, and the wind from this would've drawn smoke back towards the tower. People's lungs would've most likely collapsed, they'd be fighting for air, the shockwave would've broken most of the windows in downtown Manhattan.

That's why people don't use nuclear weapons.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Oh, there'd be so much heat and light, and radiation and death. People would've been blinded, blistered, the dust wouldn't have fallen down, the resulting heat would've caused a fireball to rise up, drawing up the air and dust beneath it in a massive convection current, forming the mushroom cloud, and the wind from this would've drawn smoke back towards the tower. People's lungs would've most likely collapsed, they'd be fighting for air, the shockwave would've broken most of the windows in downtown Manhattan.

That's why people don't use nuclear weapons.

i never said my theory was perfect, but i still think it sbetter than the truthers (at least the technology to carry mine out exists, lol, and it actually would only take one person to plant a w54, they only weigh liek 50 pounds)

 

[Johnny Pixels]

i never said my theory was perfect, but i still think it sbetter than the truthers (at least the technology to carry mine out exists, lol, and it actually would only take one person to plant a w54, they only weigh liek 50 pounds)

Yeah, it's a better theory, but I've noticed that skeptics are much better at coming up with realistic plans to destroy things than CTists. Look at Mythbusters for example

 

[Kent1]

Looks like the no-planers are causing more of a split inside the group
http://www.911tvfakery.net/

This week st911.org members Cathy Garger and Andrew Lowe Watson signed as 14th and 15th member of the 9/11 Scholars to support a release of a scientific paper at journalof911studies.com to inform the public on the findings of "9/11TVfakery"/"no planes-forensic evidence".
The paper will be written by Rick Rajter, supportive of these findings.
LOL!!

 

[T.A.M.]

Don't even get me started on Rajter. The only engineering student who's bio is filled with his athletic accomplishments over his academic ones....

 

[LashL]

I can't wait to run into these guys at GZ who say, "the scholars, blah, blah" and I get to say, "Which ones?!"

Oh my, yes! That will be PERFECT!

I love the smell of woo-woos imploding in the morning.

 

[WildCat]

Just read all of today's posts in this thread, I have to say this was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time! It's like all the stupidity over there reached critical mass and exploded in an enormous fireball of paranoia, delusion, and idiocy.

Yep, Bush/Cheney/Silverstein will be led away in handcuffs any day now for staging 9/11...

 

[defaultdotxbe]

It's like all the stupidity over there reached critical mass and exploded in an enormous fireball of paranoia, delusion, and idiocy.

the nuclear controlled demolition of the truth movement, resulting in it falling faster than freefall into its own footprint

 

[Belz...]

This is amazing.

Wood and Reynolds slam Jones on his splicing videotape, using adjusted photos, getting the temperature/color chart for metals wrong, etc, etc, his demeanor, the cold-fusion stuff.

ETA: And then they also get on him for ignoring "no planer" evidence.

All this is expected. I mean, when you have people disregarding reality for fantasy, their opinions tend to get more and more subjective. Of course, rarely as deluded as Sir Knight or Killtown, but enough so that they each end up in their respective, incompatible corners and start shouting at each other.

Chalk one more point for reality. There's only ONE of those.

 

[realitybites]

I just threw up, I laughed so hard reading this. Opening paragraph of Reynold's Overview section:

Collectively we are engaged in a struggle to expose the government's lies about 9/11. The physical sciences and analysis are key to this project. The only investigation worthy of the name has been conducted on the internet by researchers like Thierry Meyssan, Gerard Holmgren, Jeff King, Rosalee Grable, Kee Dewdney, Nico Haupt, Killtown, and "Spooked" who proved no Boeing 757 went into the Pentagon, flight 93 did not crash in the designated hole near Shanksville, PA, and the WTC towers were demolished by explosives.

I bolded the funny s***, and underlined and italicized the stuff that made me puke. That's right.... he credits Spooked (aka "Picture Pages") as being a leading researcher.

The guy who drew a plane on notebook paper.

The guy who flew popsicle stick airplanes into cardboard towers (or something along those lines).

The guy who's convinced no plane ever hit the South Tower.

.... oh.

And Killtown.

 

[JamesB]

Check out the top of the ST911 site. Jones is asserting his power

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).

--Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Respect my authoritay!

 

[Belz...]

Inspired by Realitybites and by the Jones/Wood/Reynolds battle royale, I've come up with a new term. It's to be used when a CT's argument gets more and more complex, as when Reynolds says that thermite couldn't have brought down the towers, so high-energy weapons must have been involved. "Smacco's Rozar," the Occam's Razor of the Bizarro World. Whenever you see it invoked, you must smack your self on the forehead.

Me am not agree!

 

[Belz...]

Well, there is a problem with small nukes, though. The percentage of energy released from a nuke is split into blast, flash (heat), and radiation. As a nuke gets smaller, more of it's energy goes into radiation than blast or flash. So even a briefcase nuke would deposit a significant radiation hazard.

Damn. Is there ANYTHING that SOME JREFer doesn't know ?