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Drug Legalization

Powerful video. I'm also amased that this level of public domain video exists.

The part about the legal manufactor of new and better drugs was a powerful argument against legalizaton.
 
I also think that there is something to drugs being illegal that dissuades many people from using them-be it the legal ramifications or social stigma associated with breaking the law.

While I don't think that this is the solution, I would love to see the drug bosses' profits plummet.
 
I watched a minute of this thing; does it get any better? It's rather sad that the the anti-illegalizers don't have this kind of funding.

Per usual: what evidence exists that ANYONE is not doing drugs because they are currently illegal? To wit: when Bush the first greatly ramped up the intensity of "the drug war" (prohibition), the price of cocaine went DOWN, not up.

I have not been provided any evidence that the numbers of people using would change all that much if the illegalization was finally ended (appropriate terminology, in that something is legal until it is made illegal, and the the cost to keep it illegal must be paid each year, with billions spent on interdiction, courts, and prisons; not to mention the millions lost due to families being broken up by the spouse being sent to prison, the spouse's non-work in prison, etc).

I really can't see much of a line seperating the legal 'vices' vs the current illegal ones, but it's no matter to me what adults do to their bodies in the privacy of their own home. All of this is academic really; the people will never give up their addiction to "the drug war". They need it too much.
 
The part about the legal manufactor of new and better drugs was a powerful argument against legalizaton.

How so? Wouldn't new and better recreational drugs be a good thing? Wouldn't drug manufacturers be in the best position to tailor drugs for maximum high at minimum of side effects? This is assuming, of course, they're willing to accept the liability.

It's a rather ridiculous video, sort of welfare state meets Constant Gardener by way of CSI. I find the dramatization a bit, well, dramatic. And rather conspiratorial.
 
I also think that there is something to drugs being illegal that dissuades many people from using them-be it the legal ramifications or social stigma associated with breaking the law.

I think paradoxically, there's also something about drugs being illegal that makes them more attractive. Particularly in a place like the US that has had a tendency to completely overstate the negative effects of drugs which runs contra to users' experience.
 
Why aren't drugs legal again?

I felt like I was watching a chapter of "left behind".
 
I think paradoxically, there's also something about drugs being illegal that makes them more attractive. Particularly in a place like the US that has had a tendency to completely overstate the negative effects of drugs which runs contra to users' experience.
I believe that if this is true, it is to a very small degree. Example: alcohol.
 
Per usual: what evidence exists that ANYONE is not doing drugs because they are currently illegal? To wit: when Bush the first greatly ramped up the intensity of "the drug war" (prohibition), the price of cocaine went DOWN, not up.

I have not been provided any evidence that the numbers of people using would change all that much if the illegalization was finally ended (appropriate terminology, in that something is legal until it is made illegal, and the the cost to keep it illegal must be paid each year, with billions spent on interdiction, courts, and prisons; not to mention the millions lost due to families being broken up by the spouse being sent to prison, the spouse's non-work in prison, etc).

living in tokyo you should know better than most that of course legality can have an effect on supply. It is far easier for someone to buy say canabis in the UK than it is in Japan...as a direct result of social stigma and a incredibly harsh drug policy....
 
How many million people die annually from tobacco & alcohol consumption?

How many die from marijuana use?

Some drugs ought to be compulsory, never mind legal.
 
How many million people die annually from tobacco & alcohol consumption?

How many die from marijuana use?

Some drugs ought to be compulsory, never mind legal.

Hmm let me take a stab at that. Do more people die from the drugs that are legal and therefore widespread in their usage?

Surely a perfect example of why legalisation of all drugs isn't a good idea?
 
living in tokyo you should know better than most that of course legality can have an effect on supply. It is far easier for someone to buy say canabis in the UK than it is in Japan...as a direct result of social stigma and a incredibly harsh drug policy....

Yes obviously. How anyone can claim otherwise is beyond me.

And this from a confirmed cannabis smoker.
 
How so? Wouldn't new and better recreational drugs be a good thing? Wouldn't drug manufacturers be in the best position to tailor drugs for maximum high at minimum of side effects? This is assuming, of course, they're willing to accept the liability.

Have, for instance, cigarette companies tailored cigarettes to be less harsh on a smoker's lungs? From what I know, many cigarette companies have instead made a relatively more lethal cocktail to heighten addiction to their product (though, yes, some cigarette companies did make "lighter" cigarettes).

I have some bad experiences with drugs. My grandfather died horribly of lung cancer thanks to cigarettes, my father was an abusive drunk, and I know at least a couple others that have greatly diminished mental states at a very young age (think sophomore high school) thanks to heavy drug use, and their futures are entirely gone thanks to these drugs they were addicted to.

While I support the legalization of marijuana, I am leery on the idea of legalization of all drugs, without care to short-term or long-term affects. And the argument that it's only the drug user's business is dead wrong. When a man drinks and drives, it's no longer just his problem; meanwhile, when a guy gets cranked up on PCP, goes on a trip, and decides to cause havoc, it's not just his problem. When a man's mental state puts others around him at risk, then it's no longer just his problem.

Laws aren't designed just to protect the individual, but to protect the individuals around the individual.

As for the claim that illegalization makes the product more attractive... while that could potentially be true, it is usually far more difficult to obtain an illegal item than a legal item.
 
I didn't see the video (it took too long to load), but I think I got the basic gist from reading everyone's remarks.

Personally, I think that legal drugs are far more dangerous than drugs like marijuana, peyote or psilocybin mushrooms. I don't think any deaths can be attributed to those three fairly natural drugs (meaning they don't require refinement of any type to use), yet look at the side-effects for any legal drug.

Prozac is rumored to cause terminal (pun intended) depression and has been blamed for murder and suicide. It's supposed to stifle depression.

Ambien, a leading sleep medication is causing users to sleep walk and EAT dangerous amounts of food.

Vioxx (a medication for arthritus sufferers) has caused premature heart-attacks and is responsible for a number of deaths.

The most abused drugs today (in the U.S. at least) are the pharmaceutical drugs Oxycotin and Percodan.

Meridia - a popular weight loss drug is currently under investigation by the FDA for dangerous side-effects

Fen Phen (another once popular weight loss drug) was pulled from the market for causing permanent heart damage (and some heart-attacks) for users.

I think it past time that Americans withdrew their support for the legal drug pushers that seem to doing long-term testing on people and instead do what Kennedy did in the early sixties - urge Americans to become more physicallly fit. There are no magic pills or potions, no pharmaceutical voodoo that will cure your ills without a price.

http://www.ryar.org/news/march-2005.html
 
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Errrrr right. And what does this have to do with the video you didn't bother to watch?

It might amaze you to learn that people taking many of these drugs have miserable lives without them.

My mum for instance wouldn't be best pleased if you outlawed her anti inflammatory drugs that allow her such luxeries are writing, driving and opening bottles etc. I'll suggest she stops whinging and being lazy and get's her arse around the running track if you want but I suspect the arthritis might be a problem.
 
I have no interest in drinking, smoking or drug use, but I do think the drug laws are crazy.

I think it would be better if a city tried Amsterdam model.
 
Errrrr right. And what does this have to do with the video you didn't bother to watch?

It might amaze you to learn that people taking many of these drugs have miserable lives without them.

My mum for instance wouldn't be best pleased if you outlawed her anti inflammatory drugs that allow her such luxeries are writing, driving and opening bottles etc. I'll suggest she stops whinging and being lazy and get's her arse around the running track if you want but I suspect the arthritis might be a problem.

Don't be ridiculous! I'm no spring chicken either and I take a multitude of phamaceutical drugs for everything from high blood pressure, depression and "mood-modification," so I sympathize with your mother completely.

What I meant was that, instead of pushing the fast food to the point that American obesity becomes a problem, we should be pushing health and exercise as a way of helping FUTURE GENERATIONS becoming more healthy and staying healthy longer and requiring less dependance on drugs with potentially lethal side-effects. :)
 
http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/NYT_addictive_080294.html

The Henningfield and Benowitz ratings might help for purposes of this conversation.

In April, seven chief executives of tobacco companies testified before a Congressional subcommittee that nicotine was not addictive. Experts in addiction, while disagreeing with that assessment, say that the definition of addiction is evolving, and that they can see how such a statement might be made.
So we can expect perjury charges against them to be coming soon, right?:rolleyes:
 
Don't be ridiculous! I'm no spring chicken either and I take a multitude of phamaceutical drugs for everything from high blood pressure, depression and "mood-modification," so I sympathize with your mother completely.

What I meant was that, instead of pushing the fast food to the point that American obesity becomes a problem, we should be pushing health and exercise as a way of helping FUTURE GENERATIONS becoming more healthy and staying healthy longer and requiring less dependance on drugs with potentially lethal side-effects. :)

No need for sympathy for my mum. She is a bit of whinger if I'm honest. I was just pointing out the lack of relevance of your point.

Clearly promotion of health and exercise are a good thing. Just not sure what it has to do with legalising drugs.
 

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