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9/11: FDNY Member Says "Definitely" Bombs in Towers?

Gravy said:
There were also reports, which I'm sure Sentinel is aware of, that a third plane was incoming. There was no third plane incoming.
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In the first 90 minutes of September 11, NEADS were notified of 10 hijackings. But there weren't. There were only 4.

-Andrew
 
Christopher7 said:
These 3 very important things are consistant with a CD. (#1 is a given)
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It's not a question of whether these 4 things are "consistent" with a CD. It is whether they are _inconsistent_ with the official explanation. If that were the case, then you would have something. But these data, even if we accept them as true (see my post above questioning the whole "footprint" thing) don't discriminate against much. I think they pretty much rule out massive earthquake as the cause of the building collapse, but other than that, they don't tell us much.

Now, given that these observations would be consistent with lots of falling scenerios, we need to look to other data to determine how it fell. So when people say that 1) many people close to the situation knew it had so much structural damage and predicted that it was going to fall hours before it did, and 2) there are none of the characteristics that we would expect solely for a CD (i.e. extensive explosive charges), they are looking for data to actually answer the question of why the building fell.

Given those four observations ONLY, would you agree that the WTC7 could have collapsed because a great pyramid from Giza was dropped on it from very high? It would crash on the center, it would fall mostly straight down, and it would fall in its own footprint.

I don't think your four observations are very useful.
 
pgwenthold said:
It's not a question of whether these 4 things are "consistent" with a CD. It is whether they are _inconsistent_ with the official explanation. If that were the case, then you would have something. But these data, even if we accept them as true (see my post above questioning the whole "footprint" thing) don't discriminate against much. I think they pretty much rule out massive earthquake as the cause of the building collapse, but other than that, they don't tell us much.

Now, given that these observations would be consistent with lots of falling scenerios, we need to look to other data to determine how it fell. So when people say that 1) many people close to the situation knew it had so much structural damage and predicted that it was going to fall hours before it did, and 2) there are none of the characteristics that we would expect solely for a CD (i.e. extensive explosive charges), they are looking for data to actually answer the question of why the building fell.

Given those four observations ONLY, would you agree that the WTC7 could have collapsed because a great pyramid from Giza was dropped on it from very high? It would crash on the center, it would fall mostly straight down, and it would fall in its own footprint.

I don't think your four observations are very useful.
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This is crucial; when examining a competiting theory, whether it be CD vs OV or ID vs evolution, a key thing that the alternative theory must do is predict a condition/outcome/evidence/etc that would not only support the alternate theory, but would invalidate the status quo theory.
 
Christopher7 said:
No one here is willing to step up and acnowledge the obvious.
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Will you step up and acknowledge the obvious point that the Earth is flat?

My point is: all the evidence you need has been before you the whole time.
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Precisely. Why, just look outside. Does the Earth look round to you?

You just can't bring yourself to accept it.
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I agree. And I expect you or anyone would find the idea of a flat Earth very disquieting.

The 4 (really 3 now) statements are true.

My first reaction was denial, but i got over it.
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Me too! Wow!

gotta go now. I'll come back tomorrow to see if anybody has the balls to answer those 4 questions yes or no (after reviewing the re-stated evadence above).
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Don't fall off the edge!
 
inter agency information

The biggest problem that day was the inter ops communication and forward intell. This was something I was trying to correct before 9-11 when I was running out of Ten House. Unfortunately none of us knew the full magnitude of the events to come. I had made it a point when I was running to carry an all points radio scanner to keep abreast of situations with the different agencies such as transit for both PA and NYC as well as the other first responder agencies.

I made it my business to advise the commanding officer Captain Keltry now Chief Batt 10 when situations arised such as the fire on the 78floor S/T which by the way took nearly 7 munites for dispatch to recieve, confirm and mobilize and we were right across the damn street. This is the simular problem we have till recently when I bnegan a massive ditribution of cross intell frequencies and call back numbers to all city state and federal agencies.

Theres no further excuses why are first responders continue to run blind into CRBRN incidents because of politics and now with Fatherland security slashing the budget 40% we have to stop waiting for it to come down from above and start building from the ground up.

This is not a drill !!!

Start stocking your provisions !!!

GOD BLESS


Sentinel
 
Inter ops communications

I agree,

The problem I have with Kane is his connection to Delta Oil. I see it as a song and dance event with the commision omission almost like a mocking session.

The thing we need to focus on regarding the safety of the first responders is giving them the edge to fight the new enemy. The enemy (who ever that may be) is not stupid, they cased 9-11 for a long time before the event.

The problem still has to fought on the intell side. The Red and Blue still have issues where a job will go out to the blue side sometimes almost 20 minutes prior to advisment to the red. The 911 system has to be changed.

Example: If there is a call for a fire and because of language misinterpritation (sorry) the 911 system pushes FD and now a second call goes out for shots fired, a lot of the time the forward intell will not reach the FD who is now running blind into Gunshots rather than a fire.

I give out the Cross intell Freqs/Callback info to just about every first responder out there so they can can listen to one another and get awareness on whats happening around them in real time rather than the delayed clusterF*** system now in use.

I do it totaly unauthorized but I work under the NYS Emergency Defense Act 1951 Civil Defense. I sometimes will call the dispatchers to pass emergency priority messages. You don't know how many times I'm faced with threats of arrest for doing it but unless I'm giving false info or am misrepresenting myself its just another day of the Anti auxiliary blues. They tried taking me to court and the judge just dimisses the charge. The time they got me to court they never showed up and I stood there in uniform waiting and waiting and waiting and the judge dismissed the case when I presented the laws and MY M.O.
I do it on my own as a Civil Defense watchstander for the North East quodrant.

The FDNY/NYPD hates auxiliary firemen and police officers, why else would they dismiss an APO for stopping a terrorist threat before 9-11? Why do they love my work now after 9-11? I have no problem standing up to the politics. Theres is love though with the field operators they know my work, its the politians who can't seem to take their heads out of the hole in their backside.

My mission is Force Protection Forward Observer-FWDSIGINT CD/Regional Watchstander.

I move as the LAW proceeds me.

GOD Bless


Sentinel
 
Forward Intell

I run whats call the LARS project. It stands for Land Air River Sea.

If it flies floats rails or rolls I'm on it.

Now you know what my first mission is.

GOD BLess



SentineL
 
911 and the planes

There was a report put over history channel or NGC that planes were called HIjacked when the secondary messege was put out to the carriers and when they messaged back somehow they were reported as hijacked.

This in refference to the two Korean 747s who were forced to land at whitehorse in canada. They reported they had recieved the cockpit warnings and when the responded back they were intercepted by NG Alaska and were forced to land in canada with no further incident. This may account for all the false reads that day.

I think the third plane may have been in refference to 93.


Take care everyone


Sentinel
 
Keep up the fight Sentinel. I think you fight two enemies, (1) Islamic Extremists, (2) Government Complaicence (spelling?).

Peace.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
You haven't answered this one:

Does the Earth look flat from your perspective while standing outdoors and on the ground?
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I've got 2 & 1/2 acres and i have to cut and fill to make a place for a lounge chair.

The world is NOT flat, it is very bumpy!
 
Hypothesis: A set of assumptions provisionally accepted as a basis for reasoning, experiment or investigation.
Synonyms: guess, sceme, speculation etc.

NIST report: page 50 L.3.5 Summary of Working Collapse HYPOTHESIS

" The working collapse hypothesis has been developed arround four phases of the collapse that were observed in photographic and videographic records: the initial event, a vertical progression at the east side of the building and a horizontal progression to the west side of the building, leading to a global collapse.

From an analysis of the observed collapse sequence, the following sequence of events APPEARS POSSIBLE."

Until the final report comes out, this the current govt. statement.

Is there any proof that wtc7 collapsed due to debres and fire?
 
Christopher7 said:
Hypothesis: A set of assumptions provisionally accepted as a basis for reasoning, experiment or investigation.
Synonyms: guess, sceme, speculation etc.

NIST report: page 50 L.3.5 Summary of Working Collapse HYPOTHESIS

" The working collapse hypothesis has been developed arround four phases of the collapse that were observed in photographic and videographic records: the initial event, a vertical progression at the east side of the building and a horizontal progression to the west side of the building, leading to a global collapse.

From an analysis of the observed collapse sequence, the following sequence of events APPEARS POSSIBLE."

Until the final report comes out, this the current govt. statement.

Is there any proof that wtc7 collapsed due to debres and fire?
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Creationists must love you.
 
Christopher7 said:
Hypothesis: A set of assumptions provisionally accepted as a basis for reasoning, experiment or investigation.
Synonyms: guess, sceme, speculation etc.

NIST report: page 50 L.3.5 Summary of Working Collapse HYPOTHESIS

" The working collapse hypothesis has been developed arround four phases of the collapse that were observed in photographic and videographic records: the initial event, a vertical progression at the east side of the building and a horizontal progression to the west side of the building, leading to a global collapse.

From an analysis of the observed collapse sequence, the following sequence of events APPEARS POSSIBLE."

Until the final report comes out, this the current govt. statement.

Is there any proof that wtc7 collapsed due to debres and fire?
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Is there any proof it collapsed due to anything else?
 
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