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UFO's in history?

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Some of these programs depicting UFO's in ancient paintings and ancient texts do seem a little interesting. Why was there such an interest in those periods, some more than others. I am watching a show that "heaven" in the bible simply means sky and that god "could" have been an alien.

I normally don't buy into this kind of stuff but I am simply curious as to your thoughts guys.

I'm bored and I am at work and this is the only thing worth watching on atm and its on the history channel =\
 
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Like the subject of God, or crop circles, or abondibaninanable snow sasquatches, and Nessy monsters, and cursed tombs, and haunted houses with actual ghost photos, and The Bermuda Triangle, And ESP African gray parrots, and OBE/NDE's accounts (like 'dead' person on operating table who sees shoes out on balcony nobody knew was there), psychics finding burial locations/murder scenes, and on and on....all this stuff is intriguing as there is enough possible stuff that can be called "evidence" (to some people), to keep these beliefs alive.
 
I'm not saying there were UFO's there probably wasn't but what intrigues me is what could they be observing in the sky? Big ducks? thats a joke ofcourse but I am simply curious if there is any definitive reason people back then believed there were things in the skies that were not food?
The stars maybe sparked interest perhaps, the moon ect maybe even passing comets too!

Nowadays a UFO is either a photo hoax or glare of an aeroplane at high altitudes whatever, but back then what could they mistake for a ufo? especially so many times.
 
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Ceritus, there was a very good issue of Skeptic a couple of years back that dealt with the whole UFO's in art thing. At one time I was a big believer, so it intrugued me. The "sightings" seem to fall into a few categories:

1) Angels/God shining down from above - understandably, these tend to radiate light, be in the sky, etc. Also, some sky-borne gods (Apollo and his chariot comes to mind) are depicted in (to us) strange ways, and appear as "craft".

2) Misinterpreted mundane objects - the best I've seen is a series of "saucers" that were in fact flat clouds, seen from a low angle. Not particularly realistic, but it was the style of the time.

3) Manipulated/cropped photos - these are flat out miserepresentations. My favorite is a bishop's (flat, round) hat, a tiny part of a huge mural, that is often cropped and presented out of context.

4) Celestial events - Sometimes, a comet is just a comet...

5) True UFOs. Much like modern photos, sometimes there are just unexplained images. Also like in photos, these are pretty rare.

If you're interested, it was "Skeptic Vol. 11 No. 1 Medieval UFOs?", you can buy it online for 6 bucks over at skeptic.com

Enjoy :)
 
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Nowadays a UFO is either a photoe hoax or glare of an aeroplane at high altitudes whatever, but back then what could they mistake for a ufo? especially so many times.
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Eh, Venus, swamp gas :) As posted above, it's usually modern misinterpretation that's to blame.
 
There Ain't No Such Animal

No UFOs appear in ancient or medieval art. Period.

Study art history, develop an appreciation of art and your life will be enriched far beyond anything you will see on woo TV.
 
Outhere said:
No UFOs appear in ancient or medieval art. Period.

Study art history, develop an appreciation of art and your life will be enriched far beyond anything you will see on woo TV.
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Well, yeah... but this is something like responding "Go get a degree in biology" when someone asks why creationism is wrong. A few examples will sometimes help.
 
There is one nut case who claims the "gods" depicted in Egyptian art are aliens.

they really DID have the head of an Ibis, or Croc.

Plus in a lot of old religious art they have the paintings that kind of look like UFOs but are just stars or angels....
 
I think I read that the object most commonly misidentified as an alien spaceship is Venus. That sucker is bright. Still, please point me towards examples of UFOs in pre-flight art because I don't actually know of any.

And, for the love of Jebus, don't tell me about Jacob's ladder.
 
kittynh said:
There is one nut case who claims the "gods" depicted in Egyptian art are aliens.

they really DID have the head of an Ibis, or Croc.

Plus in a lot of old religious art they have the paintings that kind of look like UFOs but are just stars or angels....
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I knew a guy who was sure that aliens had been around, since we have cave art w/figures that look vaguely like a "grey". Personally, I figure that it was most likely a human skull, something our ancestors would likely see from time to time.
 
kittynh said:
There is one nut case who claims the "gods" depicted in Egyptian art are aliens.

they really DID have the head of an Ibis, or Croc.

Plus in a lot of old religious art they have the paintings that kind of look like UFOs but are just stars or angels....
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Wasn't that Stargate?

There's a brilliant Gary Larson cartoon with a stoneage UFO made of rocks and trees, but I can't find it on the interweb. Silly copyright laws.
 
Personally, I think it is 'ignorant' to dismiss ALL the historical images depicting 'gods in the heavens' as kookery, an artist misinterpretation, or as plain old religious fervor.

Moreover, I think that one SHOULD consider that god(s) and aliens probably DO share more in common than the masses are ready to accept.

I am no longer a believer in a religion shrouded capital letter "G"-od. No such thing exists, or has become MUCH much more 'hands-off' than they/he/she used to be. That said, I also think the Athesists are way off in their complete and utter dismissal of a 'god in heaven'.

I think there is more than ample evidence that suggests that 'something' does, and has existed, in the heavens that is not 'us', and that it is likely they have been watching/studying us for a long long time.

Now that said, I don't hold or believe that such evidence is 'iron clad' or indisputable'. Merely, that a LOT of evidence all points to the same possibility.

IGNORE it, and threaten your understanding of the world in which you live...
 
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IGNORE it, and threaten your understanding of the world in which you live...
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How? The aliens seem to be taking remarkable pains to keep themselves out of the way. Nobody ever gets a clear picture of them. No piece of evidence exists that is indisputable.

However, there are some basic psychological principles that show that people will invent memories, overestimate their own self-importance, and be influenced by the beliefs of others. Ignore THAT and you threaten your understanding of the world in which you live. You even threaten your understanding of how you develop your understanding.
 
I've got to say i do like this pic.....

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laugh all you like, but when planet X returns bringing with it our annanuki overlords, who'll be laughing then eh?*

*answer - me :D
 
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To Loss Leader:

I have taken into account the dismissability of the evidence, and I conceed your point that "NO indisputable evidence" exists that 'proves beyond a reasonable doubt' the E.T's exist, or at least I have no such thing to present here today.

All that I have is my own empircally collected evidence, and that found on countless History, TLC, and the Discovery channel airings of unexplainable lights dancing like mad across the sky.

Aliens HAVE made 'some' effort to remain well hidden to the masses, but in the same respect sightings over Mexico City seem to have been intended to be 'public'.

Humans tag and release LOTS of species all around the world in almost every environment. It seems that 'we' are ourselves being subjected to the same treatment.

'Proof' of such events exists, but not in an indisputalbe form. Then again, OJ Simpson was found not guilty because the jury found 'reasonable doubt' within the evidence presented...that does not mean OJ didn't kill the ***** out of Nichol Brown and her boyfriend, it just means that THAT jury didn't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

After seeing the evidence that 'I' did, I 'know' that OJ killed those two people...even if that jury aquited him.

You may dismiss UFO's and Alien beings for the same reasons, but I feel I 'know' they exist.
 
But seriously, wouldn't you want to KNOW the truth?

The Mexico city lights have sadly (for those of us that would like there to be real alien contact) been disproved. I think the work of SERIOUS investigators is undermined by people pushing the "flying human" or mysterious lights agenda.

You have to believe in some really massive government cover up to believe in the UFO films shown. If true, the Mexico sightings would not just be a sceurity threat to Mexico, but also to the US. With all the worry about terrorism, you had better believe if those films are REAL (and they have been investigated just for this reason), then Homeland Security is involved.

The earlier investigations of UFOs by the airforce were primarily because of the Cold War. If is a missle, or a UFO. The need to find out if there was any truth to this matter was of utmost importance! This issue was taken up very seriously by the Air Force, and not just in the Project Blue Book sense.

The point is that it would NOT be on the Discovery, or Travel or other cable chanel, and would be headlining CNN. There is "news" and there is NEWS.

You have to remember, this would be the biggest newstory EVER. So do you buy massive cover up? Or do you instead go for the really serious investigator that believes stuff like, "you know, there might be other life out there....so let's listen...." or even the biologist involved in working out what kind of life mght be out there. To be honest, many scientists believe firmly that there is OTHER life out there. But not able to go through worm holes to reach us here. If so, their skills are so far advanced of ours, that silly little different looking saucer objects are rather...crude. There is serious work being done. We don't need to "Reach" for a silly thrill.
 
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