Loose Change - Part IV

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Some Real 9/11 stuf

Brainster said:
Amidst the discussion of the Looser Than Words crew's burgeoning empire (offices in LA and London!), we learn that we might as well give up finding the errors in their film. Why? Because they were left in there on purpose!

Hello,

Thanks for the reference because I got to read the whole article, which most on here wouldn't do.

You quoted just one small part of it, doing what you say they do, and when I read the whole article I came away with an entirely different thing than you were trying to spoon feed me.

Anyway, back to 9/11, which this thread it suppose to be all about, or so I have been told so many times. I have been reading a lot of the posts since I started on here, those that have nothing to do with me and it appears there hasn't been too much said about 9/11. So don't pin all this junk on me.

Now here is something which I have been trying to tell everyone, and it directly started on 9/11. We lost our civil rights directly due to the Presidents actions immediately after and because of this incident we refer to as 9/11. The President has used and abused his supposed authority to interfer in our lives. (One of the reasons given for the 9/11 conspiracy in loose change is for the President and others to grab power over us). And I referred to people knowing their history in one of my posts, and let me show you one or two of the things I was referring to.

SPY POWERS
Can the president eavesdrop on private citizens without a judge's ok? The high court said 'no' in 1972 Wiretaps: Ruling requires warrants for spying at home

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/01/08/MNGHGGK8OC1.DTL

So they couldnt' get away with it back then, but then 9/11 comes along and guess what.........they do it again. History is repeating itself but WHY?

DETROIT - A federal judge on Thursday struck down President Bush's warrantless surveillance program, saying it violated the rights to free speech and privacy, as well as the separation of powers enshrined in the Constitution.

Bush is using 9/11 to elminate many of our civil rights, even the Courts are seeing that, why can't some of you?

And it isn't just the phone tapping, check this out.
High Court Rejects Detainee Tribunals

5 toCurb 3 Ruling s President's Claim Of Wartime Power

The Supreme Court yesterday struck down the military commissions President Bush established to try suspected members of al-Qaeda, emphatically rejecting a signature Bush anti-terrorism measure and the broad assertion of executive power upon which the president had based it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/29/AR2006062900928.html

And this also

FEINGOLD CALLS ON ADMINISTRATION TO RECONSIDER ILLEGAL WIRETAPPING PROGRAM FOLLOWING SUPREME COURT’S HAMDAN DECISION
Supreme Court’s Ruling Directly Undercuts the Administration’s Arguments In Defense of Illegal NSA Wiretapping Program

http://www.feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/06/07/20060717htm.htm

So even a governor isn't happy with the wiretapping. Not just me.

Now for some of you who I need to connect the DOTS for, 9/11 has lead us to WAR, and he is using the WAR to take away our civil rights. And he is upset because the Courts RULE we have civil rights and he doesn't have the right to take them away.

Here,

Bush Condemns Court Ruling Against Wiretap Program
By Jim Malone
Washington
18 August 2006

In-Depth Coverage
President Bush says he strongly disagrees with a federal judge's decision that the administration's eavesdropping program aimed at suspected terrorists is unconstitutional.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/news/2006/intell-060818-voa01.htm

See the real problem here is the word SUSPECTED. No proof has to be found. So if someone accuses you of being a terrorist then you have no civil rights. I met Atta, supposedly the mastermine behind 9/11, does that make me a terrorist. Wow I was in his vicinity for 10 minutes and oh boy I actually talked to him on the phone once and met with him. Had to do with an ad I had selling something. Ok boys, this guy gets no civil rights any more ..poof gone. And you think we are living in a free society? I have no criminal record, never done anything wrong besides a speeding ticket. What happened to innocent till proven guilty? No, now we have guilty by accusation, guilty until proven innocent. And if they are wrong just like the President was on the WMD, well you might get an apology but don't hold your breath, and due to the WAR on Terrorism these mistakes are expected to happen and you will NOT be able to sue them over it. Oh you live is GONE, things have changed but you CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT because we are at WAR. Don't know about you but I think my civil rights are MORE important when we are at war NOT less. What, because we are at war we become a MILITARY STATE? The Supreme Court doesn't agree and neither do I.

I remember something along these lines a long time ago in the past, it was called the INQUISITIONS. People were hanged, burned at the stake, they were accused of being witches or heretics ..... all killed in the name of God and Country. If you weren't aligned with the powers that be, they would crush you.

Now if 9/11 was conspired by people in our own government to gain power, they did just that and they did it quite well. Gain power that is.

Now another dot or two for you guys, all of the above (loss of civil rights) has affected me, including the TRIBUNAL problem. I have been deprived of so many civil rights it isn't funny but due to the WAR ON TERRORISM, it doesn't matter. I and my civil rights are NOT important anymore, now why you all SHOULD be concerned is you can fall into the TRAP in a heart beat.

And what is terrible about this, is that my civil rights was just torn up and thrown away, and I was DEPRIVED of a written explaination which I was legally entitled to, but since I WAS NOT GIVEN THAT, I can't even appeal to the SUPREME COURT which would give me relief, just like it has ruled on this other matters IF THEY GET THERE! But please note: If there is NOTHING put in WRITING, there is NOTHING to APPEAL. You need a ruling in WRITING TO APPEAL. So if they don't give you something in writing what are you going to do?

So, and this is just a small portion of the REAL problem, which most are totally ignoring, our civil rights are being quickly and easily stripped from us under the GUISE of being at WAR. War supposedly instigated by the 9/11 attacks.

And in the movie Loose Change, referring to Sept 2000, The Project for New American Century Report, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" a NEW Pearl Harbor is needed and guess what we got it. In fact in the news it was often referred to as just as bad as Pearl Harbor was. If someone thinks we need more DEFENCES you would need to have MORE Enemies to justify it but what if you do NOT have any enemies to justify it? Well then maybe we should just go out there and convince the public we do, even if you have to make them up. Just like the part of the movie where it refers to Operation Northwoods. This is another reference I made where if you do NOT learn from the past History will repeat itself.

Look at Iraq and the Weapons of mass destruction, they weren't any. The story was made up so we could go in there after him. Oops. Now we are in a War on terrorism. What if there was NO real terrorism to go to war over, what if it hadn't changed from what it was before 9/11? See fighting terrorism is not a problem for me but going to WAR over an imaginary threat is a problem for me. And one thing I know about any branch of the service, is if they can plan it, they WILL DO IT. Take Operation Northwoods, does that sound right to you? How many other clandestine operations have we done in the name of God and Country? There have been many in the news over the past years, and many that were not. And many told to us by the news didn't happen exactly like it was said. Some truth comes out but it is usually too little too late and most always never makes the headlines.

And all of this is WITHOUT "Loose Change", and what you might consider inside information.

Wake up, smell the rotten fish, and it isn't in Denmark this time.

Sir Michael
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kevin said:
I've been looking for a new sig line and I do believe that is it. damn brilliant.
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I'd like to say I'm honored, but the fact is, people have offered me in upwards of 7 figures to use my line in their signature.

I've turned them all down of course....

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realitybites said:
I'd like to say I'm honored, but the fact is, people have offered me in upwards of 7 figures to use my line in their signature.

I've turned them all down of course....

:cool:
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I'll offer you 8 figures for the copyright on it. All the figures are zeros, and I'm including the 2 after the demical point, but hey it's the thought that counts.
 
Sir Knight said:
Look at Iraq and the Weapons of mass destruction, they weren't any. The story was made up so we could go in there after him. Oops. Now we are in a War on terrorism. What if there was NO real terrorism to go to war over, what if it hadn't changed from what it was before 9/11? See fighting terrorism is not a problem for me but going to WAR over an imaginary threat is a problem for me. And one thing I know about any branch of the service, is if they can plan it, they WILL DO IT.
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And, pray tell, what was their objective in Iraq ?
 
MortFurd said:
First off, this makes it look like you are from Coral Springs, so Huntsman may well be right in your identity. Atta lived in Coral Springs during the months before the WTC attacks. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, of course. If you didn't know Atta, then you are a liar - and still may live in Coral Springs.


The TRUTH is welcome here anytime. It usually shows up with a couple of facts to vouch for it, and is warmly welcomed by all.
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Well the truth may be welcome here, but I doubt if it would be recongized, BECAUSE YOU GUYS DON'T READ THINGS VERY WELL AT ALL. Never said I NEVER lived in Coral Springs, just in case you didn't know it, THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH of people that live there. All I said was I WAS NOT THERE NOW. I said I am a long way from there. And for good reason. Geesh, you guys could not figure out the answer to a multiple choice question if there was only one answer posted. You would figure it was a trick question and make up your own. READ WHAT I SAY not what you THINK I SAID or refer to someone ELSE'S INTERPRETATION of what I said. I know what I said and I know WHY. You just don't have a clue even when I spell it out for you.

Stop wasting everyone's time with incorrect assumptions that are based on innuendo's and conjecture.

Again you guys depress me with your billiant powers of deduction.
And listen, I said I met him, talked with him, KNOWING is a whole different level. I don't KNOW the man, KNOW OF HIM yes. You may meet a person but not KNOW him. Learn the definitions of the words and try to use them properly. And please stop bashing me for stupid nonsense which doesn't have an ounce of sense to it. Yeah, like no one would know without you telling them that if I WAS LYING I WOULD BE A LIAR. That was just an eye opening experience that I am sure everyone really enjoyed.

NOT!
 
Sir Knight said:
Thanks for the reference because I got to read the whole article, which most on here wouldn't do.

You quoted just one small part of it, doing what you say they do, and when I read the whole article I came away with an entirely different thing than you were trying to spoon feed me.
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DOH! My mistake for putting in the link; if I hadn't you would have eaten your peas without the apple cobbler!

Bush is using 9/11 to elminate many of our civil rights, even the Courts are seeing that, why can't some of you?
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Because I am not terribly concerned about losing my right not to have my phone tapped when I take phone calls from Al Qaeda operatives abroad.

So even a governor isn't happy with the wiretapping. Not just me.
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Feingold is a senator, not a governor, and he's probably the administration's fiercest critic in that body. He's also the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act.

And in the movie Loose Change, referring to Sept 2000, The Project for New American Century Report, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" a NEW Pearl Harbor is needed and guess what we got it. In fact in the news it was often referred to as just as bad as Pearl Harbor was. If someone thinks we need more DEFENCES you would need to have MORE Enemies to justify it but what if you do NOT have any enemies to justify it? Well then maybe we should just go out there and convince the public we do, even if you have to make them up. Just like the part of the movie where it refers to Operation Northwoods. This is another reference I made where if you do NOT learn from the past History will repeat itself.
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Ah, finally a reference to 9-11 and Loose Change. Now, what did the PNAC actually say about a new Pearl Harbor? Did they say one was needed? Can you point out the page to me?

(Rest of paranoid nonsense snipped)
 
Sir Knight said:
Now here is something which I have been trying to tell everyone, and it directly started on 9/11. We lost our civil rights directly due to the Presidents actions immediately after and because of this incident we refer to as 9/11.
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Sir Knight,

This is my first post directed at you. I hope you will display me more respect than you have previously displayed to this forum as a whole.

You may be surprised to find that not everyone here who thinks Loose Change is garbage are Americans. Of those that are from the USA, quite a few are rather strongly opposed to the current administration. I don't know what the percentage would be, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was a majority.

It would be unfortunate if you were to confuse rejection of Loose Change with blind trust and obediance to the US Government. That is the sort of reaction I would expect from a person with an extremist position on this subject matter. Extremist views are seldom (if ever) right, and as such are not looked upon fondly here.


Sir Knight said:
Now for some of you who I need to connect the DOTS for, 9/11 has lead us to WAR, and he is using the WAR to take away our civil rights. And he is upset because the Courts RULE we have civil rights and he doesn't have the right to take them away.
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Two things. If the US courts are prohibiting the US Administration from carrying out certain actions, the administration isn't doing a very good job of establishing a police state, is it? Seems to be the system is working rather well.

Secondly, some here will agree with your assertations above, others won't. But I think you'll find all of us would concur that these points above in no way prove that the US administration in any way orchestrated the September 11 attacks.

It is possible to exploit or profit from an event without having been involved in the event itself - the media do this every day.



Sir Knight said:
I met Atta, supposedly the mastermine behind 9/11, does that make me a terrorist.
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Have you been accused of being a terrorist?


Sir Knight said:
Now if 9/11 was conspired by people in our own government to gain power, they did just that and they did it quite well. Gain power that is.
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Bush appears to have been slapped in the face by the US courts on numerous occasions, from your assertations. You consider this power? What do you think would have happened if a German court told Hitler he was not legally allowed to detain Jews in camps?



Sir Knight said:
Now another dot or two for you guys, all of the above (loss of civil rights) has affected me, including the TRIBUNAL problem.
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Are you saying you were captured in Afghanistan and detained in Guantanamo Bay as an "illegal combatant" (to use the admin's pet phrase)?



Sir Knight said:
If someone thinks we need more DEFENCES you would need to have MORE Enemies to justify it but what if you do NOT have any enemies to justify it?
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Do you not consider radical islamic terrorists an enemy of free western society?


Sir Knight said:
Just like the part of the movie where it refers to Operation Northwoods. This is another reference I made where if you do NOT learn from the past History will repeat itself.
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Do you believe Operation Northwoods is evidence that the government would carry out something like September 11?

Because I don't, for two reasons.

1) Operation Northwoods did not involve killing American citizens or destroying private American property.
2) Despite this, Operation Northwoods was thoroughly rejected by the US Administration.

I see no logic by which a US government would be happy to kill thousands of American citizens and destroy billions of dollars worth of private property, but would reject a plan to PRETEND to kill American citizens and destroy private property.


Sir Knight said:
What if there was NO real terrorism to go to war over, what if it hadn't changed from what it was before 9/11?
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Are you saying terrorism does not exist?


Sir Knight said:
And one thing I know about any branch of the service, is if they can plan it, they WILL DO IT.
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That would make the US defence force unique amongst all the defence forces of the world. Officers are quite often called upon to workshop operations that will never be executed.

The United States, for example, had plans for an invasion of Great Britain prior to World War Two. Last time I checked these plans were never carried out.

I had hoped you were returning to the topic of this thread, but I am disappointed. Please be honest with us, so we can avoid wasting our time (I can't speak for everyone else, but I value mine). Do you ever intend to discuss any aspects of the crocumentary "Loose Change"?

-Andrew
 
Belz... said:
And, pray tell, what was their objective in Iraq ?
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Duh, money, power and control = OIL. Why did pick on that little thing when what I was attempting to show you was it was A LIE. The point was there was NO WMD, and they had to finally admit it, so what the ADMIN/GOV tells you is NOT always the truth, mostly FAR FROM IT.

Why can't you stay on point? So many agendas so little time. So many topics but so little minds.

And I guess nothing else I posted in the whole legthy post was worth discussing, just IRAQ. Geesh......give me a break. I gave you NEWS, FACTS ....... NEW CURRENT STUFF and you ask me about what is the GOV's agenda. Oh it probably the WAR ON TERRORISM if you believe them. I have learned the HARD WAY, NOT to believe them. You stand a better chance of getting to the truth.

Here is one possible motive you might check out.

A government document Titled

NPC oil and gas outlook report pleads for help to combat low prices

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6631740

Well considering our Government's war's in the middle east has boosted oil prices from $30 a barrel to now $70 I guess they got the help with low prices huh?

I have the answers and facts, problem is you guys don't know what to do with them or even like them.

Combat LOW OIL PRICES. Geesh such a problem for the world. I think we are not at war on Terrorism as much as we are at WAR on LOW OIL PRICES, that war I know we are winning.

Sir Knight
 
Sir Knight said:
[Now here is something which I have been trying to tell everyone, and it directly started on 9/11. We lost our civil rights directly due to the Presidents actions immediately after and because of this incident we refer to as 9/11. The President has used and abused his supposed authority to interfer in our lives. (One of the reasons given for the 9/11 conspiracy in loose change is for the President and others to grab power over us). And I referred to people knowing their history in one of my posts, and let me show you one or two of the things I was referring to.

[snip articles about wiretaps and whining about how it all affects Sir Knight]
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Thank you for finally posting something even tangentially related to 9/11. Please enlighten me - how is any of this proof that 9/11 was planned by the government, and not just taken advantage of by the government?

No proof of LIHOP or MIHOP. Par for the course.

ETA: Now it's gas prices?!?! Back up, bunky, and address LC, will you?
 
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Sir Knight said:
Duh, money, power and control = OIL. Why did pick on that little thing when what I was attempting to show you was it was A LIE. The point was there was NO WMD, and they had to finally admit it, so what the ADMIN/GOV tells you is NOT always the truth, mostly FAR FROM IT.
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You assert that war was enabled by the September 11 attacks. You may recall that it was actually Afghanistan that was invaded in response to these terrorist attacks. Is is a whole different country.

What, in your estimation, was the US Government's motivation for invading Afghanistan? (Assuming it was not to disperse, destabilise, and hopefully eradicate Al Qaeda).

-Andrew
 
Sir Knight, what was the cost of the 9/11 attacks on the American economy?

ETA: And what is the cost of the operations in Iraq?

If you add them up, do you really think the US government is out for money?
 
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LOL, I thought I have and did. Motive, I quoted the PLAN you so quickly dismissed. Geesh, you didn't even read what I posted correctly at all.

And what you asked me when you said:

"Are you saying terrorism does not exist?"

Just proves it. That is such a rediculous question that it doesn't merit a response because you refuse to READ WHAT I SAID. We were against it BEFORE we went to WAR. It is the WAR DECLARATION that is the problem, the EXCUSE to rob us of rights that was tied to 9/11.

There is no use me posting anything when people don't even read or address what I write.

And just because there is a ruling doesn't mean they are not still doing it, and have done it before and will continue to do it. It appears that the administration doesn't necessarily adhere to the law when it was RULED against in 1972 for the same acts.

You also failed to refer to the report in my post that directly refers to the Loose Change Documentary. The one calling for a new Pearl Harbor. But I guess all those reference to the MOVIE must not be a reference CAUSE YOU DON'T READ THEM. I don't know what you want, I refer to the movie and you ignor the references. I give movations you and ignor them.

Repect? How can I give you repect when you trashed me with such a stupid question and totally ignored all my reference TO THE MOVIE when you stated and I quote:

Do you ever intend to discuss any aspects of the crocumentary "Loose Change"?

That would make it look like to anyone who didn't read my post in it's entirety that I didn't even refer to the movie which is NOT true at all.

It is a misleading question that actually insults my intelligence. I am trying to bring up specific parts of the movie and connect them to 9/11 which is what I thought this forum is about, or do you want to talk about the angles or speech quality of the movie? The mechanics of putting it together? Geesh ask me something intelligent not something that insults me.
 
gumboot said:
Did I say death camps? I meant happy camps.

-Andrew
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Now who is making fun of the dead? Sick joke.

And by the way, the title of this Thread and I copied and paste it from above is:

Conspiracy Theories A place to discuss alternative interpretations, theories and explanations of historical and current events.

And anyone with a brain and who can read will see that is exactly what I have been trying to do in my posts EXPLAIN with THEORIES.

Sir Knight
 
Sir Knight said:
Now who is making fun of the dead? Sick joke.

And by the way, the title of this Thread and I copied and paste it from above is:

Conspiracy Theories A place to discuss alternative interpretations, theories and explanations of historical and current events.

And anyone with a brain and who can read will see that is exactly what I have been trying to do in my posts EXPLAIN with THEORIES.

Sir Knight
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Um, no Mr. "I built computers and know more about software than anyone", the title of this thread is Loose Change - Part IV. THe title of this SUBFORUM is conspiracy theories.

But knowing that would require reading, rather than ego-stroking.
 
Pardalis said:
Sir Knight, what was the cost of the 9/11 attacks on the American economy?

ETA: And what is the cost of the operations in Iraq?

If you add them up, do you really think the US government is out for money?
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LOL, boy are you short sighted. You are asking the WRONG questions. Who is making money off of the WAR over there? Or don't you think that every time a gun is fired or a missle is launched that someone isn't making money? the GOV is run by powerful people, it isn't for the people and by the people anymore. If so why weren't the people asked to give up the rights of privacy instead of it just being taken away?

And 9/11 has costs the people money yes, but there are people making money off of it and with control and power you make even more money. 9/11 gave power to the wrong people.

And so much of what I was posted was just ignored. No one wants to believe it. I don't either, but that doesn't change the facts what certain people can do with their power.
 
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