JonBenet killer arrested - psychics not involved

[Skeptic Guy]

How about this one?

Wait, that's William Powell from the "Thin Man" movies! Man, I thought he was dead. Maybe the psychic got his/her wires crossed on "the other side".

 

[Loss Leader]

You know, not to be crude but there was no foreign DNA recovered from JonBenet's body.

I thought I heard on a news show yesterday that they had found "male DNA".

There was DNA at the crime scene but none was recovered from, ahem, inside the victim. So, that means any DNA match just shows the person was there at some time, not that he was the killer.

 

[politas]

There was DNA at the crime scene but none was recovered from, ahem, inside the victim. So, that means any DNA match just shows the person was there at some time, not that he was the killer.

Yes, but a match to that combined with a confession would probably lead to a conviction. Most of the talk about him not being guilty is based on him not being in the same state, thus lacking opportunity. If the DNA evidence places him at the scene, then the ex's testimony of him being in another state must be wrong.

 

[Loss Leader]

Yes, but a match to that combined with a confession would probably lead to a conviction. Most of the talk about him not being guilty is based on him not being in the same state, thus lacking opportunity. If the DNA evidence places him at the scene, then the ex's testimony of him being in another state must be wrong.

A DNA match would be a very interesting piece of evidence. I, however, am betting that this guy didn't do it. Things are, as they say, getting curiouser and curiouser. Okay, one fictional girl said it but that still has to count for something.

 

[Azrael 5]

My money's still on the parents.I have no evidence to back this up whatsoever but I can't think for myself and am following general opinion from time of the murder.
Plus if this guy did it then surely his handwriting will match the ransom note found,if not then he either had an accomplice or things are getting even more "curiouser and curiouser".

 

[Dogbreath]

TAM 3 Joe Nickell

I just watched the DVD from TAM3 where someone asked Joe Nickell about this case. He said that those who examined the ransom note said it most likely was in the mother's hand attempting to disguise it. Joe said he did not think the mother or the father did it. He then asked who else does that leave? I got the impression it was someone from within the household. As soon as I heard about this guy, I thought now wait a minute.

 

[sophia8]

There was DNA at the crime scene but none was recovered from, ahem, inside the victim.

It was under her fingernails - probably from scratching whoever was strangling her. She wan't raped.
Clearly, the DNA didn't match anyone the police had at the time, or there would have been an arrest.
I don't believe it was the parents. OK, they were pretty wierd, moving the body and praying to Jesus over it. But that just means they'e weird, not killers.
And anyone who suspects that her father harboured some kind of paedophile feelings because he was encouraging her to be a professional child beauty queen should remember that both Jonbenet's mother and grandmother were child and adult beauty queens - it was the family profession, and their daughter was simply following in Mom's and Grandmom's high-heeled, well-schooled dancesteps.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Sophia, are you claiming that some people actually see these child beauty contests as "cute" and not "sexually arousing?"

 

[Azrael 5]

The parents did themselves no favours as I recall,by leaving town,refusing to co-operate with police etc.I read a book about the crime a few years ago,and it was avery big house,lots of rooms etc.Whats the odds on a stranger breaking in and finding JonBenet's bedroom?

 

[soulhill]

Let's give this one to the psychic. It may have been random chance, but she got his likeness in a statistically improbable way.

I have to agree. The sketch would be passible even for an eye witness.

At the very least, the sketch is close enough to make me wonder if she was given information, either in the form of a profile or if there were reports or descriptions of this person that she was privy to.

I do think it is especially important for us, as skeptics, not to stumble over ourselves to dismiss any resemblance. This does not mean that psychic powers were involved, but if we can't admit the obvious because it does not fit our expected outcome - that's bad science.

 

[Loss Leader]

IAt the very least, the sketch is close enough to make me wonder if she was given information, either in the form of a profile or if there were reports or descriptions of this person that she was privy to.

Of course she had a profile. Everyone knows the wack-job pedophile serial-killer profile - white man, mid-thirties, outcast, neat, trim, quiet. I mean, just get a mug shot of Jeffrey Dahmer and draw him. In fact, if I could post links, I'd put up pics of Dahmer and the JonBenet sketch side-by-side. It looks much more like him than like Karr. At least the hair's right.

And don't tell me not all serial killers fit the profile. I know that. But the psychic was playing the odds and drawing the most likely composite.

And I still think Karr didn't do it.

 

[soulhill]

Of course she had a profile. Everyone knows the wack-job pedophile serial-killer profile - white man, mid-thirties, outcast, neat, trim, quiet. I mean, just get a mug shot of Jeffrey Dahmer and draw him. In fact, if I could post links, I'd put up pics of Dahmer and the JonBenet sketch side-by-side. It looks much more like him than like Karr. At least the hair's right.

And don't tell me not all serial killers fit the profile. I know that. But the psychic was playing the odds and drawing the most likely composite.

And I still think Karr didn't do it.

Yes, she was playing the odds. No, Dahmer does not match the sketch nearly was well. Do we need to do a geometric analysis in order to confirm?

 

[politas]

Sophia, are you claiming that some people actually see these child beauty contests as "cute" and not "sexually arousing?"

To reverse that, are you implying that every adult involved in these competitions is a pedophile?

I'm not claiming any knowledge in the area myself, never having been even close to any of them. I'm not sure they even exist in Australia.

 

[Loss Leader]

Edit: duplicate.

 

[Loss Leader]

Yes, she was playing the odds. No, Dahmer does not match the sketch nearly was well. Do we need to do a geometric analysis in order to confirm?

Here's the JonBenet sketch:

And here's Jeffrey Dahmer:

 

[thaiboxerken]

To reverse that, are you implying that every adult involved in these competitions is a pedophile?

I'm not claiming any knowledge in the area myself, never having been even close to any of them. I'm not sure they even exist in Australia.

I guess my sarcastic tone didn't come out in the post. I am pretty sure that most people involved in child-beauty contests do so for the same reason people are involved in pet-beauty contests, because it's cute.

 

[politas]

Here's the JonBenet sketch:
And here's Jeffrey Dahmer:

Dahmer is certainly a worse match. very few of the features match. Dahmer's chin is shorter, his forehead is different, his eyes are different, his ears are wrong, his hair recedes less, and his mouth is wider.

 

[Loss Leader]

Dahmer is certainly a worse match. very few of the features match. Dahmer's chin is shorter, his forehead is different, his eyes are different, his ears are wrong, his hair recedes less, and his mouth is wider.

I disagree. I think Dahmer looks more like the sketch than Karr.

And I still don't think Karr did it.

 

[Hellbound]

It was under her fingernails - probably from scratching whoever was strangling her. She wan't raped.
Clearly, the DNA didn't match anyone the police had at the time, or there would have been an arrest.

Just to add to this, there were also two drops of blood found on her underwear, that matched the tissue under the fingernails. These were discovered several years after the initial testing. The original testing had checked one area of blood, then assumed all of it was the same.

 

[Azrael 5]

I also think it looks more like Dahmer,the little pout(cmplete with dimple chin),wide nose,hair(okay parting is on opposite side but still..)

I guess we will know soon enough if Karr is the one,altough I doubt it.When hearing people were doubting his story he demanded another press conference.Attention seeking weirdo.