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Loose Change - Part IV

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Brainster said:
Well put. The fascination with Building 7 seems to be rising; we'll see if it survives that Debunking 911 photo, which is terrific as are these.
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Shocking isn't it how when you start asking questions answers start appearing. It's not that the answers, were not there all along it's just that they were not paying attention.
 
Because these photos attack the "minimal" damage claims, I think this hurts the recruiting effort.
But I think most of the hard core CT'ers are going to move into two areas.
The time of the fall, and the symmetry. And they're going to forget about everything else.

The reason the fall occured so quickly has to do with the interior collapsing first. This also ties into the symmetry as the interior fell in on itself before the outer frame.
Next time you watch the penthouse fall, watch the windows. Can you see light coming through the building?
 
(1) awesome Photo by Spak. That seals it for me. The testimony I had heard from firefighters had me convinced anyway, but proof is in the picture.

(2) That Humschmidt video, awesome. Turning on each other...MarkyX, this is a nother sign that they are about to fall apart as a group (The CTers).
 
MarkyX said:
I wouldn't be all that surprised. We are the founders of the real truth movement here :)
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From what I see, in my month long trolling of the dark side. You guys are It!
You helped me save my best friend, well read, educated, and cool, from the Do Over Delinquents! All I had to do was follow your lead! Well,.. and use my grey matter!
Again my hat is of to you all!


DT
 
Dog Town said:
From what I see, in my month long trolling of the dark side. You guys are It!
You helped me save my best friend, well read, educated, and cool, from the Do Over Delinquents! All I had to do was follow your lead! Well,.. and use my grey matter!
Again my hat is of to you all!


DT
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The fact that otherwise well-educated folks can fall for the dark side is a testimate to the 911 'truth' movement's techniques, not their facts. I'm glad you were able to save one.
 
Kent1 said:
Im going to post this photo now. We have had it for a while, but I didn't have permission to make it public until now.
The photo is from Steve Spak

NIST did NOT know of the photo until we gave it to them a little while back.
It IS one of the best known photos of the southside damage.

So here it is.....I'll let you guys debate it.

http://www.debunking911.com/WTC72.htm


A statement from Steve Spak:

"This photo was taken a couple of hours before number 7 WTC collapsed. Two water mains that supplied lower Manhattan were damaged leaving little or no water pressure in the area. Hours before the collapse of 7 WTC, Fire Chiefs at the scene advised all units to stay away from 7 WTC because of the collapse dangers. They had no water to fight the blaze and the building was damaged from the collapse of the North Tower. You can see a big hole on the lower floors in this photo. I believe that the Chiefs made the right decision in letting 7 WTC burn."

Steve Spak
stevespak.com

Also he told me:
"Sorry, That's the only photo that shows the damage, The smoke cleared for a second."
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Good photo and followups. I believe in the original we're looking at the SW corner damage to WTC 7, not at the even more extensive damage higher up on the center of the south face that was described in firefighters' reports (the setback on the Verizon building at left is at about floor 10).
 
"I think it's safe to say almost everyone in the entertainment industry has seen our flick." –Dylan Avery, on LC Blog

ETA: All I hear from Camp Freedom regarding my acceptance of Korey Rowe's challenge of a debate is crickets. Lots of crickets up there.
 
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I think it's safe to say almost everyone in the entertainment industry has had the flu, too.
 
Gravy said:
"I think it's safe to say almost everyone in the entertainment industry has seen our flick." –Dylan Avery, on LC Blog

ETA: All I hear from Camp Freedom regarding my acceptance of Korey Rowe's challenge of a debate is crickets. Lots of crickets up there.
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Which reminds me, has anyone seen World Trade Center yet. I read that Stone staied away from the thories in making the film. I wonder of the Deniers consider that a betraly on his part.
 
Earl The Tall said:
Which reminds me, has anyone seen World Trade Center yet. I read that Stone staied away from the thories in making the film. I wonder of the Deniers consider that a betraly on his part.
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Big time. Although now they are rumoring that he is going to make a pro conspiracy flick with Charlie Sheen. I'm sure it will be up to the standard quality of Mr. Sheen's other work. Such as The Wraith.
 
Earl The Tall said:
Which reminds me, has anyone seen World Trade Center yet. I read that Stone staied away from the thories in making the film. I wonder of the Deniers consider that a betraly on his part.
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I have not yet watched, but I have read the review in the Chicago Tribune. According to the write-up he does stay away from an CTs and focuses on the human part of the story (Cage's and the other actors characters). In fact, they went out of their way (the paper) to mention that this film is a definite deviation from his other films like JFK and such.
 
You know, one thing I never see mentioned is whether Stone really believes that JFK was a conspiracy, and that his film blew the lid off of it, or if he knew he was stretching the actual facts and did so anyway in order to make a good movie and cash in on the paranoia around it?
 
I saw "World Trade Center" today. It was an awesome movie...in a gut wrenching, reminds me of why I come here and post kind of way.

I recommend it to all here.
 
When the discussion of how Oliver Stone is a traitor for not telling the truth of 9/11 came up, this gem shortly followed:

Stone has never said on record what he does or does not believe about 9/11.

My guess is he knows damn well the official version is false, but for whatever reason did not want to touch the subject in this film. Maybe he trusts dylan & co. to nail it in LCFC? Maybe he's got something else up his sleeve? Who knows, but either way I don't think it's a huge deal that Stone didn't get into a 9/11 theory.
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Bolding mine.
 
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Earl The Tall said:
Which reminds me, has anyone seen World Trade Center yet. I read that Stone staied away from the thories in making the film. I wonder of the Deniers consider that a betraly on his part.
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I saw it yesterday. It is pretty good. It does focus on the personal story, although the depictions of the aftermath were pretty realistic. The CTs are just being jerks because it doesn't buy into their paranoia.
 
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