Washington Post: Moslem Gays Seek Lesbian Wives

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On a Web site for gay South Asians, 27-year-old Syed Mansoor uploaded the following message last summer:

"Hi, I am looking for a lesbian girl for marriage. I am gay but I would like to get married because of pressure from parents and society. I would like this marriage to be a 'normal' marriage except for the sex part, please don't expect any sexual relationship from me.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/23/AR2006062301417.html

This article emphasizes the dishonesty of some (gay) Moslems seeking marriages of convenience in order to shield their true sexual orientation.
 
Do we need another thread about your dislike for Muslims?

Can't you just start one thread and list the (many, it seems) things you don't like about them?
 
Sounds like a reasonable proposition, actually. Both parties could then avoid the nastier consequences of living in a repressive society, while being able to be themselves, at least in private. Infinitely preferable to pairing up with straight people and making themselves and their unwitting partners miserable.
 
Wasn't this pretty much the default solution for upper class Europeans in the 19th century?
 
Today, as then, moslems faced the following as quoted from the article. It is yet another example of the incredibly barbaric punishment Islam reserves for actions which non-muslims don't even consider crimes anymore:

Homosexuality is a crime punishable by death in much of the Islamic world. In Iran last year, two gay teenagers were publicly executed, while in Afghanistan, the Taliban government would torture homosexuals by collapsing walls on them.
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SteveGrenard said:
Today, as then, moslems faced the following as quoted from the article. It is yet another example of the incredibly barbaric punishment Islam reserves for actions which non-muslims don't even consider crimes anymore:
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Only because Christians and Jews are weak in their faiths. The holy commandments of their god include death for man lyingeth with another man. We can only conclude that Muslims are more religious than Christians and Jews, which automatically makes them [eta: the Muslims, I mean] better people.
 
"...the Taliban government would torture homosexuals by collapsing walls on them."

How very odd. I'm sure that manner of torture has some cultural significance but...how very odd.
 
SteveGrenard said:
Today, as then, moslems faced the following as quoted from the article. It is yet another example of the incredibly barbaric punishment Islam reserves for actions which non-muslims don't even consider crimes anymore:
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I don't think it's fair to judge all of Islam by the Taliban, any more than it's fair to judge all Christianity by Fred Phelps, who probably would kill homosexuals if he thought he could get away with it.

I'd prefer a bisexual wife, myself. :)
 
JamesDillon said:
I don't think it's fair to judge all of Islam by the Taliban, any more than it's fair to judge all Christianity by Fred Phelps, who probably would kill homosexuals if he thought he could get away with it.
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Yea, but Fred Phelps can't get away with it. The Taliban, and most every other middle east nation, can and does.

JamesDillon said:
I'd prefer a bisexual wife, myself. :)
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How tall would you like him? :)
 
Rob Lister said:
"...the Taliban government would torture homosexuals by collapsing walls on them."

How very odd. I'm sure that manner of torture has some cultural significance but...how very odd.
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Saves burying them afterwards, I suppose. There has to be some degree of rationality involved, no matter how miniscule.
 
I think that the official criminalizations of homosexuality in many muslim countries ARE barbaric (a difference of degree, rather than of kind, in Western countries such as the United States, in my opinion), but I wonder how bad official oppression of muslims really is in these countries. Given the commonly accepted statistic that about 4% of the world is born gay, there must be hundreds of thousands of gay muslims in Iran alone. And yet only a handful of official executions for being gay? To me that indicates a certain amount of widespread de facto tolerance, including by the government, though their laws may not reflect the reality on the street. I'd be interested in getting a more propaganda free account -it seems the West is filled with yellow-press narratives of brutal oppression of gays in the muslim world, but the documented instances of such official oppression (of the brutal variety) seems surprisingly low for the number of gay people that must be living in those countries.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Oscar Wilde was straight. He had to have been, since he married a woman and fathered children. Straight!
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Libirace was legaly straight. But that was the result of a libel suit in british courts where he testified that he was not a homosexual. So being gay would mean he purgered himself.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Libirace was legaly straight. But that was the result of a libel suit in british courts where he testified that he was not a homosexual. So being gay would mean he purgered himself.
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I would think purgering oneself in open court would lead to additional charges, even if one offered to clean up the mess afterwards.
 
Dave1001 said:
I think that the official criminalizations of homosexuality in many muslim countries ARE barbaric (a difference of degree, rather than of kind, in Western countries such as the United States, in my opinion), but I wonder how bad official oppression of muslims really is in these countries. Given the commonly accepted statistic that about 4% of the world is born gay, there must be hundreds of thousands of gay muslims in Iran alone. And yet only a handful of official executions for being gay? To me that indicates a certain amount of widespread de facto tolerance, including by the government, though their laws may not reflect the reality on the street. I'd be interested in getting a more propaganda free account -it seems the West is filled with yellow-press narratives of brutal oppression of gays in the muslim world, but the documented instances of such official oppression (of the brutal variety) seems surprisingly low for the number of gay people that must be living in those countries.
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hmm...i'd imagine that the rather harsh laws against homosexuality would mean that most of that 4% would keep their sexuality to themselves, or at the very least it would be something conducted upon behind closed doors so to speak....

on a (somewhat) related annecdote, Japan is a society in which there are few openly gay people (I spoke to more than a few people who'd swear they'd "never met a gay" - and many who'd suggest that japanese people didn't have the "gay" gene....!) This (IMO) is due to social pressures to conform (get married and have kids) rather than underlying relgious homophobia....and as a result gay men and women get married, have kids and lead a "normal" life.....i guess my point would be that these social pressures whilst pretty strong, are nowhere near as bad as laws in some muslim countries under which you can be sentenced to death for your sexuality. As a result, i don't find it at all surprising that most muslims who are gay keep it a secret.
 
andyandy said:
hmm...i'd imagine that the rather harsh laws against homosexuality would mean that most of that 4% would keep their sexuality to themselves, or at the very least it would be something conducted upon behind closed doors so to speak....

on a (somewhat) related annecdote, Japan is a society in which there are few openly gay people (I spoke to more than a few people who'd swear they'd "never met a gay" - and many who'd suggest that japanese people didn't have the "gay" gene....!) This (IMO) is due to social pressures to conform (get married and have kids) rather than underlying relgious homophobia....and as a result gay men and women get married, have kids and lead a "normal" life.....i guess my point would be that these social pressures whilst pretty strong, are nowhere near as bad as laws in some muslim countries under which you can be sentenced to death for your sexuality. As a result, i don't find it at all surprising that most muslims who are gay keep it a secret.
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Well, I don't know much about Japan but it's pretty shocking to me if it's true that homophobia is high and publicly open homosexual relationships are rare there. I was under the impression that when it comes to heterosexuality, their fairly agnostic culture has resulted in a greater openness about sexuality and sexual imagery.

However, I'm skeptical that homosexuality can be that effectively hidden. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems to me from what little I know that the extremely low rate of executions for the number of people in Iran and other muslim countries that must be in active homosexual relationships indicates that the government is following a deliberate policy more along the lines of "don't ask don't tell" than actively seeking to root out and execute all the homosexuals in their population. It would be interesting to learn more about the homosexual experience in Iran and other muslim countries, beyond a wartime propaganda narrative.
 
Dave1001 said:
Well, I don't know much about Japan but it's pretty shocking to me if it's true that homophobia is high and publicly open homosexual relationships are rare there. I was under the impression that when it comes to heterosexuality, their fairly agnostic culture has resulted in a greater openness about sexuality and sexual imagery.

However, I'm skeptical that homosexuality can be that effectively hidden. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems to me from what little I know that the extremely low rate of executions for the number of people in Iran and other muslim countries that must be in active homosexual relationships indicates that the government is following a deliberate policy more along the lines of "don't ask don't tell" than actively seeking to root out and execute all the homosexuals in their population. It would be interesting to learn more about the homosexual experience in Iran and other muslim countries, beyond a wartime propaganda narrative.
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perhaps i should clarify, i don't think homophobia is high in japan.....that is to say, there isn't any kind of hatred as such, it's more that japan is a very ordered society - and social pressures dictate still quite strongly the responsibility one has to one's ancestors and parents to maintain the family line....therefore being openly gay is somewhat incompatable with this - and so most people who are gay seem to remain in the closet, get married and have kids....
 
Dave1001 said:
Well, I don't know much about Japan but it's pretty shocking to me if it's true that homophobia is high and publicly open homosexual relationships are rare there. I was under the impression that when it comes to heterosexuality, their fairly agnostic culture has resulted in a greater openness about sexuality and sexual imagery.
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I always thought homosexuality was pretty much accepted in Japan. But of course, my knowledge comes from Japanese history and popular culture, not from direct knowledge of the culture.

Homosexuality seems accepted in manga/comics, where gay themes are common.
 
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