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Leopard OSX 10.5 Sneak Peek

I'm not sure how I feel about the Time Machine feature. My efforts are generally to make things unrecoverable, not to go back and look at dark memories.
 
If you put the effort in, I'm sure you can make things unrecoverable. Use, for example, Stuffit SecureDelete. I reckon Time Machine will work like Norton's Utilities, in that it rescues things that are deleted, but not yet erased.
 
So... nothing to get excited about in Leopard, then.

Not sure how I feel about being able to view Keynote presentations in iChat. Now people can bore me with their holiday snaps even when I thought I was safely miles away from them.

Despite this, I am considering replacing my iBook with a MacBook - hardware horror stories notwithstanding.
 
Ian Osborne said:
If you put the effort in, I'm sure you can make things unrecoverable. Use, for example, Stuffit SecureDelete. I reckon Time Machine will work like Norton's Utilities, in that it rescues things that are deleted, but not yet erased.
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Mac OS X has secure delete built in. Why buy something else to do it?
 
Darat said:
Apple continues with its subscription OS approach....
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Not really. No requirement on paying. My brother still runs 10.3, and friend of mine still runs 10.2.

Apple also doesn't have upgrade pricing (technically all boxed purchases of the OS are upgrades) so you can go from 10.0 to 10.4 for the same price as going from 10.3 to 10.44. Most subscription plans make you pay more to jump on board at a later date.

Further, the license is perpetual. Many subscription plans have the license end if you drop off the plan.

Finally - you actually get something for your money. Microsoft's volume users have paid for nothing since SP 2 released in 2004.
 
kevin said:
Mac OS X has secure delete built in. Why buy something else to do it?
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We'll need to see Time Machine before we know whether the OS' secure delete will keep it from being recovered. And pretty-much everything Stuffit can do is now matched by the operating system, except .sit archives, which no one uses anyway! :D
 
kevin said:
Not really. No requirement on paying. My brother still runs 10.3, and friend of mine still runs 10.2.

Apple also doesn't have upgrade pricing (technically all boxed purchases of the OS are upgrades) so you can go from 10.0 to 10.4 for the same price as going from 10.3 to 10.44. Most subscription plans make you pay more to jump on board at a later date.

Further, the license is perpetual. Many subscription plans have the license end if you drop off the plan.

Finally - you actually get something for your money. Microsoft's volume users have paid for nothing since SP 2 released in 2004.
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Microsoft's volume users didn't have to pay for SP2. It was free, as has every single update they have released for XP... sort of. There's the fact that they keep pumping out a million "flavors" of the OS.

So you are saying that if you want to upgrade to a newer version of OSX and you already have the first one, it's free? That's good, because that's what I expect.
 
I've heard the mantra, "switch to a mac", except now they say "and it can use Windows too". That actually is compelling, if you ignore the fact that I am faced with the choice of sticking with the machine I already have (free) or buying a new machine just because I can use my existing OS on it (and if I'm using my current OS just so I can play all my games on it, well I'm too lazy to switch between two operating systems just so I can use Mac). Good sale for those still deciding, but not for someone who already has a computer they are happy with.

So when is Mac OS going to be installarific on a standard PC? I suspect that'll happen when they are willing to admit making an OS when you have no idea what hardware setup the user is going to have is kinda hard.
 
Dark Jaguar said:
Microsoft's volume users didn't have to pay for SP2. It was free, as has every single update they have released for XP... sort of. There's the fact that they keep pumping out a million "flavors" of the OS.
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Volume users pay a yearly fee if Microsoft releases updates (free or otherwise) or not. So all the volume users paid for SP2, but non-volume users got it for free.

So you are saying that if you want to upgrade to a newer version of OSX and you already have the first one, it's free? That's good, because that's what I expect.
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In the same way upgrading to Windows Vista will be free. However the charge to upgrade from 10.0 to 10.5 is the same as upgrading from 10.4 to 10.5. Upgrading Windows 95 to Vista may require paying full price (Microsoft hasn't released official pricing.)

The release dates between OS X have been getting longer as well (although no where as insane as Microsoft). It was roughly 18 months between 10.3 and 10.4 and when 10.5 ships in 2007 it will be right around 2 years since 10.4 shipped.

If you're looking for an OS where all updates are free I highly recommend Gentoo Linux and Ubuntu Linux. I use Gentoo (console only) on my servers at home, and my father liked Ubuntu when he tried it at home (although he went back to SUSE later on.)

http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.ubuntu.com/
 
Dark Jaguar said:
So when is Mac OS going to be installarific on a standard PC? I suspect that'll happen when they are willing to admit making an OS when you have no idea what hardware setup the user is going to have is kinda hard.
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First they'll have to admit that selling the hardware is making them more money than selling just the OS probably would. Then they would have to figure out how to support all the legacy crap that people accumulate. Of course I still know Mac people that have SCSI scanners that work on current Macs.
 
kevin said:
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In the same way upgrading to Windows Vista will be free. However the charge to upgrade from 10.0 to 10.5 is the same as upgrading from 10.4 to 10.5. Upgrading Windows 95 to Vista may require paying full price (Microsoft hasn't released official pricing.)

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You are comparing apples and pears - unless all the OS X "upgrades" will upgrade a System 7 Mac to OS X?

Personally I think it is a shame that MS hasn't done what Apple has done a few times with their OS development - start afresh and screw backwards compatibility! Legacy is great for MS in terms of commercial potential but for goodness sake still being worried about running software released for an OS 20 years old in your latest release... madness!
 
Darat said:
You are comparing apples and pears - unless all the OS X "upgrades" will upgrade a System 7 Mac to OS X?

Personally I think it is a shame that MS hasn't done what Apple has done a few times with their OS development - start afresh and screw backwards compatibility! Legacy is great for MS in terms of commercial potential but for goodness sake still being worried about running software released for an OS 20 years old in your latest release... madness!
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Actually upgrading from System 7 to OS X 10.4 costs the same as upgrading 10.0 to 10.4, assuming you have a computer capable of running OS X. And if you have a PPC computer OS X upgrade will keep your files and to a certain degree your applications (it'll install OS 9 and run old applications in OS X under OS 9.) Same applies to Windows XP, machines capable of running 95 are not always capable of running XP.

Apple tried the Microsoft route with Copeland and pretty much ran into what Microsoft is running into with Vista, too many delays and missed shipped dates.

Apple also has the benefit of being able to abandon old legacy hardware too. Apple was the first to abandon legacy keyboard connectors and switch completely to USB. They abandoned their old love of SCSI around the same time (even before firewire was available).
 
I feel funny about installing an OS called Leopard. I keep reading it as Leonard.
 
rockoon said:
Reminds me of a cheesy infomercial.
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At the risk of derail: the Showtime Rotisserie cooker is GREAT! It really is set it and forget it because you you cook the food according to its weight (15 minutes per pound for poultry), not the temperature.

Back to OSX: I really like the Time Machine feature, and 10.5 falls in line with my feelings about OSX. I've always thought that the odd-numbered updates were more impressive than the even-numbered ones, which is why I only bought 10.1 and 10.3, avoiding 10.2 and 10.4 because I didn't think they offered enough for me to spend another $129.

Michael
 
Most of Leopard is still under wraps, and what's been shown so far is interesting, but unexciting. We really need to wait until nearer Xmas to see what it has in store...
 
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