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Loose Change - Part IV

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Considering that anybody who would argue with him is now banned, I somehow doubt JDX cares about if he can prove his credentials anymore.
 
kevin said:
Only the summary is available, not the actual calcs so this isn't known. A later study was done for an impact at the 80th floor, but it was to analyze building sway only.



Do you know many structural engineers? All the ones I know (and I work for an engineering company) would exactly overdesign a building that way. Architects don't design structural systems for buildings so they would not do so.
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Sure, but architects typically have a significant input on the final design.

A decade or so ago, I served with a few Navy Civil Engineers, reservists, who worked in building construction in their civilian jobs. It's been a few years since I spoke with any of them.

My remark on the design is that designing for a (load * safety factor) based on an expected approach speed of a 707 (200-300 knots) requires roughly One Fourth of the strength (well, ability to absorb the impact load and recover) of a design for a bit over twice the speed. The (higher impact spec * safety factor) would tend to increase material and cost siginficantly.

I learned a bit about safety factors in my Mechanical Engineering days, but I am not a civil engineer so I am left groping a bit at skyscraper design. Bridge trusses, our favorite model, aren't that good of a comparison.

Applying safety factors is an art, and is an exercise in Risk Management. (Are you an engineer, or another sort of engineering firm employee?) Cost/risk decisions happen on any construction project. The WTC designers obviously applied a generous safety factor to the design, whatever the final spec, as witnessed by the fact that the buildings took an impact load coming in at 400+ to 500+ knots -- and stood. The fire (per previous comments and NIST investigation) provided the critical chink in the armor of the structure's strength.

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ob986s said:
watch this video (linked in the LC Nuke thread) they show a small video artifact and claim that this is from the EMP, I am not kidding. The entire video is only 3-4 minutes long, it is a trailer for a larger movie coming out in September. I can not believe how much stupid these people can cram into 3 minutes. My favorite part is their "20 reasons why it was a WMD" this would be great comedy if it were not about such a serious matter.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3211807290597119388&q=wmd+at+the+wtc

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Gotta love how at 1:45, reason #4 is written as "Ponds of molten metal in basements of WTC 1, 2 & 7." but is read as "Ponds of molten steel...". Emphasis mine.

I closed the movie shortly after that, I was already feeling sick.
 
Kent1:

You mean for the 5002nd time...lol

Class etcs..

It is funny that there new theory is that an WMD was used. So they could get one into the WTC unnoticed, but couldn't get any into a bunker or building anywhere in iraq...ya....okie dokie
 
I can't believe they actually just ditched the skeptic forum. Well I can, but I can't believe they actually were so hypocritical to ban any dissenting views and turn the whole of the forum into a pat-on-the-back-society.
 
This guy at Pumpitout.com, he is perfect for the CT crowd. They all remind me of a bunch of godamn highschool kids...oh wait, i forgot, they are a bunch of highschool kids...
 
Well apparently Johndox is still over at LC, and is causing a bit of a stir in the Lounge (guess JDX hasnt gotten to it yet).

Apparently they've been going on about a call that "Shure", who apparently is the guy who runs pumpitout.com, made to FEMA. Well he was drunk at the time, so he made a complete idiot of himself, and Johdox is calling him on it. So Johndox asks him for his phone number, and "Shure" has published it there...I wonder where this will end up...
 
Wow... that "mini-nuke" in a cone-of-destruction...

That's just... wow.

It has shot straight to the top echelons of stupid.

-Andrew
 
Just got an amusing email from someone on the board of a Public Access TV station. They want "my" approval to show Loose Change on their channel. My thought is to write back and thank them for their interest, but it has been brought to our attention that the film is riddled with inaccuracies and mistakes, and so we would prefer if they hold off for now.

:)
 
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My thought is to write back and thank them for their interest, but it has been brought to our attention that the film is riddled with inaccuracies and mistakes, and so we would prefer if they hold off for now.

:)
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do it, or send them a copy of Screw Loose Change
 
Hey all! Just watched the cat from 911 debunk, on O Reiles! He said again that 77 hit the pent at 500. I also just read in the aerospace post, that is was going 350. Damn that's got me. Aerospace cites their speed from the,orange, balck box. Hmmm. Any thoughts. I know you will! Thanx.

Brain;
Link them to Marky flick as well!
 
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sleahead said:
Hutch, I'm stunned. You and Dylan were getting on so well. Remember that sweet PM he sent you after the museum debacle just two days ago?. Now I see that PM as a cynical attempt to distance himself from the purge that he knew was coming.
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Could be, depends on how much hands-on dylan is there. If he was responsible for making johndoex and jennabell mods then he would be a fool not to know what was coming. OTOH, if Roxdog made them mods, then either he didn't know or could play the innocent.

Either way, I'm done with him. At least until LC:FE comes out sometime...

I still wonder if Mr. Avery mounted this horse thinking it would lead him to "fortune and glory, kid; fortune and glory" and now realizes he's on the back of a bucking bull that won't let him off and would turn on him n a second if he did dismount. If he doesn't feel that way yet, I suspect it won't be long in coming...
 
Brainster said:
Just got an amusing email from someone on the board of a Public Access TV station. They want "my" approval to show Loose Change on their channel. My thought is to write back and thank them for their interest, but it has been brought to our attention that the film is riddled with inaccuracies and mistakes, and so we would prefer if they hold off for now.

:)
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Better yet, encourage them to show it, but add the caveat that the footage contained in it might be infringing on copyrights of others and subject the Public Access Station to liabilities from the rightful owners:dig:


P.S. the minimum copyright infringment settlement is $10K per instance.
 
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