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A question about LSD.

There was an article printed in Time magizine during the LSD craze that said 7 students went blind from tripping then staring at the sun. The article was proved false, and Time wouldn't run a correction. There are so many myths and drugs woo out there that I have been inspired to start a thread.
 
geni said:
Cute as all this anicdotal evidence is lets have a look at what the reseach has to say.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=7965440&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

Drugs simular to LSD may cause problems

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=6135405&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

They exist

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=1254369&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

adding marijuana to the mix does not appear to help

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8251869

It exists but the doctors like to call it post-hallucinogen perceptual disorder

In short it is rare (don't ask me how rare figures go from 20 odd percent on down) but appears to be real.
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The studies ignore the possible association of preexisting psychological conditions and LSD use and flashbacks (other than the first one). The study on marijuana/LSD seems to ignore the possibility that people who suffer from flashbacks may be more inclined to smoke pot rather than the other way around.
 
Tips.
Never admit to any illegal activity unless you have been found guilty of a charge or have charges outstanding.

Lie detector tests are worthless. Do not even agree to take one. If you do have to take one for any reason you need to look out for the control questions. Before answering them induce stress into your body, like biting your tongue HARD. Then when you lie on the real questions the amount of stress you will have will be no more than the control questions.
 
Dogdoctor said:
The studies ignore the possible association of preexisting psychological conditions and LSD use and flashbacks (other than the first one). The study on marijuana/LSD seems to ignore the possibility that people who suffer from flashbacks may be more inclined to smoke pot rather than the other way around.
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You want more studies Pubmed is that way. By any reasonable standars we know they exist. How common? sod knows.
 
Juliette said:
My 36 year old son is a paramedic/firefighter. Recently he applied for a job in a large department that recieved hundreds of applications. He scored #1 on the first round of written and oral review tests, and became one of 5 contenders for 3 openings.

Great. Then came the first part of the background investigation. His credit history has been excellent since he began working at age 16, he has never had as much as a traffic or parking violation, etc.

A few days after the first interview with the background investigator he recieved a letter informing him he was no longer being considered for the position, nor should he apply if future jobs became available in the department.

The investigator had told my son that they had even hired someone who had only been out of rehab a month for cocaine addiction, so to go ahead and tell him his entire drug history because it was unlikely to elimanate him. He fessed up.

In highschool (where he graduated 19 years ago), he smoked pot a few times, but didn't like it, and after about a month of experimenting with it quit and has not smoked it since. Fine. And one time, also in high school, when he was 16, he tried LSD. He hated it and has never done it since. Uh oh.

That was it. This is based on the belief that anyone who tried LSD even once in their life was always subject to flashbacks. This is why the letter informed him he would never be considered for this department.

Now this seems incredibly archaic to me. I understand that a certain high standard must be - or should be - expected of the people whose proffesions can mean life or death, but this seems over the top.

I have tried to find information that either proves or disproves the idea that a person - almost 20 years later - is subject to flashbacks. Can any one here help me find some answers?

Thanks everyone,
Julia
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I unfortunately spent three years addicted to LSD, i have never had a flashback, the only people I know who have had flashbacks used DMT or STP.

So anecdotaly there is no evidence, and scientificaly there is no evidence either. Just a lot of propaganda spewed at various times.
 
geni said:
You want more studies Pubmed is that way. By any reasonable standars we know they exist. How common? sod knows.
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What exists, flash backs, I have never known any one who has had one from LSD, and I come from a sample of heavy users of LSD.

So what exists and what are they detecting?

'a visual distance perceptive disorder'
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=6135405&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

a number of questions related to "acid" (LSD, STP) flashbacks
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leaves the definition undefined and confounds LSD with STP

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=1254369&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum
 
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It would seem that the studies are very old.

I do not recommend the use of LSD, as entertainment. It can cause many people great distress.
 
Juliette said:
My 36 year old son is a paramedic/firefighter. Recently he applied for a job in a large department that recieved hundreds of applications. He scored #1 on the first round of written and oral review tests, and became one of 5 contenders for 3 openings.
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My brother recently got a job in Horry County fire rescue. There they had 3 paramedics applying for 6 medic positions. So Horry County south carolina might be a good place to look for fire fighter/paramedic jobs. Not sure if it would fit his needs, but if it could, they are hurting for qualified applicants in the mertal beach area.
 
He should of lied about his drug use. Who actually tells these kinds of things to people you're trying to get a job from? It doesn't make sense. He should of kept it to himself always. The public preception of drugs, Even completly harmless drugs like LSD is that they are simply "bad". And it seems the safer the drug, The worse they are. Marijuana,Steroids,LSD are among the safest illegal drugs yet they are thought of as worse than legal drugs like tobacco or alcohol which are 1000 times more dangerous.

Lesson learned here?

Lie.
 
Dustin said:
[snip]The public preception of drugs, Even completly harmless drugs like LSD is that they are simply "bad". And it seems the safer the drug, The worse they are. Marijuana,Steroids,LSD are among the safest illegal drugs yet they are thought of as worse than legal drugs like tobacco or alcohol which are 1000 times more dangerous.
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Alcohol is a thousand times more dangerous than drugs like cannibis, LSD or steroids? Got any info to back that up?

Surely it depends on the quantity taken, as much as anything else: a glass of red wine every day or two may actually bring health benefits and seems unlikely to do much harm, while the other drugs you mentioned can all have nasty (side) effects, again depending on dosage, length of use etc...
 
ponderingturtle said:
My brother recently got a job in Horry County fire rescue. There they had 3 paramedics applying for 6 medic positions. So Horry County south carolina might be a good place to look for fire fighter/paramedic jobs. Not sure if it would fit his needs, but if it could, they are hurting for qualified applicants in the mertal beach area.
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Thank you, but I think he is pretty settled here in Northern California. Where he has been currently working is fine. The job where he applied payed better, was closer to home, but most imoprtantly to him, ran many more calls.

I have been reading the many links provided. I know I am very much condensing the information, but basically what I seem to keep reading is that after multiple LSD experiences, a person who then smoke marijuana was most subject to having certain symptoms that were similar to LSD. Even then, it seemed to suggest that it was recent, meaning the LSD and marijuana use were close in time, less than a year in most studies.

Again, I know that is over simplified, but no where did I find any suggestion that a one time use 20 years prior put anyone at risk.

I called him last night and he asked that I forward him this thread. What he does now is up to him. He is bright, but I hate to see anyone penalized for telling the truth. Prior to this he was in a successful job in the music industry making great money, traveling, meeting name bands and musicians, but after 911 decided to change careers. I do want this to be the best for him, of course.

Julia
 
jon said:
Alcohol is a thousand times more dangerous than drugs like cannibis, LSD or steroids? Got any info to back that up?

Surely it depends on the quantity taken, as much as anything else: a glass of red wine every day or two may actually bring health benefits and seems unlikely to do much harm, while the other drugs you mentioned can all have nasty (side) effects, again depending on dosage, length of use etc...
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Look at the death rates associated with Alcohol and Tobacco and compaire them to those associated with LSD,Cannabis or Steroids. So far i've yet to find a single case of death directly related to LSD or Cannabis use. Steroids are used daily in the medical field to treat various things. Neither Alcohol or Tobacco are.


It depends on the dosage, However If you group all "Frequent users" in 1 and compaire them then the groups of Alcohol drinkers or Tobacco smokers have a much higher mortality rate than LSD,Marijuana and Steroid users all combined. Just one Alcohol or Tobacco users have a much higher rate of death than LSD,Marijuana or Steroid users combined. This is obvious since there is no credible medical evidence Marijuana or LSD can even kill you.
 
I'm not sure 'frequent user' is a particularly useful category, and what it means would presumably differ drug by drug as well (one joint or tab a day might count as frequent use, but 1 cigarette/day would probably count as light use?) Certainly, alchohol and tobacco kill far more people than the other drugs (though they do have more users). Tobacco has a relatively high mortality rate, though alchohol can be associated with anything from a reduced mortality rate to rapid death, depending on dose...

Isn't smoking weed associated with an increased risk of cancer (which can kill you) - much like fags?

Anyway, this is getting kind-of off topic...
 
Juliette said:
Thank you, but I think he is pretty settled here in Northern California. Where he has been currently working is fine. The job where he applied payed better, was closer to home, but most imoprtantly to him, ran many more calls.
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Ok, I didn't think it was that likely to be much better for him. But if he knows people looking for such a job(it is a general shortage of emergency personal includeing police and such).
 
geni said:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12609692
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In particular (1) the term 'flashbacks' is defined in so many ways that it is essentially valueless; (2) most studies provide too little information to judge how many cases could meet DSM-IV criteria for HPPD; and consequently (3) information about risk factors for HPPD, possible etiologic mechanisms, and potential treatment modalities must be interpreted with great caution. At present, HPPD appears to be a genuine but uncommon disorder, sometimes persisting for months or years after hallucinogen use and causing substantial morbidity. It is reported most commonly after illicit LSD use, but less commonly with LSD administered in research or treatment settings, or with use of other types of hallucinogens. There are case reports, but no randomized controlled trials, of successful treatment with neuroleptics, anticonvulsants, benzodiazepines, and clonidine. Although it may be difficult to collect large samples of HPPD cases, further studies are critically needed to augment the meager data presently available regarding the prevalence, etiology, and treatment of HPPD.
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What is the premorbid condition of the people who have the undefined HPPD?
 
I know a person who was just refused from admittance to the Highway Patrol because she smoked pot one time 10 years ago. Even though she is in excellent physical shape, tested very highly, and went throught the entire training program etc. This was the final step...she thought honesty would be the best thing. She is devestated.
 
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