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More garbage from Dobson

Marquis de Carabas said:
Did you ever consider renegotiating your contract with Satan? I know he's a hard sell, but after I helped him deconvert 100 Christians in the 03-04 season alone, he offered me a new incentive-based contract, with a huge upfront signing bonus.

Maybe you should have gotten a better agent.
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Not a chance. Satan tried to bribe me too, but unlike you I told him the Lord rebuke you. Get lost Satan your lies stink! Oh and I'm sure if I get my new lyrics out in the world of music they will only be those that edify and build up the body of Christ. All for the glory of God!
 
kurious_kathy said:
Not a chance. Satan tried to bribe me too, but unlike you I told him the Lord rebuke you. Get lost Satan your lies stink! Oh and I'm sure if I get my new lyrics out in the world of music they will only be those that edify and build up the body of Christ. All for the glory of God!
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Why do you have to build up the body of Christ? I figure a carpenter would be pretty well put-together already, if you know what I mean. Big strong muscles, all oiled-up and flexed.

That's one of the great things about working for Satan; he has his own Bowflex.
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
That's one of the great things about working for Satan; he has his own Bowflex.
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Your just taking the easy road in life. The problem is it will never amount to anything that lasts. I like to try to focus on things that have an eternal perspective. I believe we Christians call it sowing to the spirit rather than feeding the flesh.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Your just taking the easy road in life. The problem is it will never amount to anything that lasts. I like to try to focus on things that have an eternal perspective. I believe we Christians call it sowing to the spirit rather than feeding the flesh.
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OK, so strength training's not for you. Satan's got an aerobics program, too, you know. And one hell of a sauna.
 
Hey, MdeC, here's a question for you: How much fertilizer would we have to dump on kathy before she grows a sense of humor and stops taking posts like your seriously?
 
kurious_kathy said:
I really don't know why non-believers don't struggle the way believers do sometimes. I think because maybe most people are are not a threat to the evil one. The biggest target of spirtual warfare seems to be how Satan can destroy the family unit. I know this one because I myself was almost divorced twice after a ten year struggle in my marriage. It's only because of Jesus that my marriage is back together.
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You know this is one of those things that has often p*ssed me off with so-called Christians. Somehow Satan is interferring in your life such that the bad things you do are somehow partially absolved because it wasn't entirely your fault. Horse puckey. The fact that believers seem to struggle more than non-believers (sometimes) looks to me like the believers are using faith as a crutch to make them feel better about their character flaws. Somehow *they* are not responsible, it's mostly that prince of darkness guy. Yeah, whatever. I'm tired of the system of guilt. The guilt of being a bad spouse is magically collected at church (it wasn't all yours anyway - Satan was partially or mostly responsible) and locked up in their vault waiting to repay you with interest should the need arise.

It's easy to call yourself a Christian. It's hard to follow Christ's example. How about less talking about Satan and more trying to follow the example that He left?

I have a favorite story on this: I attended a church "Baptism/BBQ" where hundreds of people gather on a lakeside beach to listen to live music, watch all the newly committed followers of Christ take the plunge, and eat lots of food together. While walking from my car to the beach I happen across a terrified lost little girl. Who was the only one to stop and make sure she doesn't become a statistic? Me - the one who isn't baptised. She's too scared to walk with me to the stage (good for her!) so I try to get one of these saved individuals to take her name so an announcement could be made. Do any of them stop to help? Oh heaven forbid! They might miss their favorite band performing. Besides, they were already saved (or about to be so), they don't NEED to do anything. Probably nothing would have happened to her had I not stopped. Maybe God had already told all of them this, I don't know. I stuck with her until her father found us.

The crowning moment I think was when one of the church members who had passed us asked me later if the little girl had found her parents. Oh that was rich. Good Christians - assured of entry to heaven in the hereafter - in desperate need of a dose of Christian morality.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I have a sense of humor, but some of his posts really aren't funny!
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They would be funny if you gave your heart to Satan, though. Jesus obscures humour, diverting us from the path of mirth that Satan has set out for us. It is not his will that any should be sombre, but that all should have eternal chuckles. Why do you turn your back on the only one who can truly make you laugh?

anyway back to OP about Dobson, what do you think of this tract he wrote about raising boys?... http://shop2.gospelcom.net/epages/a...dc0127155c271d45579e7c0659/Product/View/31184
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Besides the open bestiality on the cover, not much.
 
yes, back to the OP about Dobson. It seems likely to me that the most successful "ex-gays" were probably bisexual to start with. And there isn't that great a record of success with "treatment" anyway. Fortunately I don't want to change, so I'm not worried.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I have a sense of humor, but some of his posts really aren't funny!

anyway back to OP about Dobson, what do you think of this tract he wrote about raising boys?... http://shop2.gospelcom.net/epages/atsdirect.storefront/44c10edc0127155c271d45579e7c0659/Product/View/31184
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I think his tract is a load of dingoes kidneys. For example:

The Ultimate Answer
Meaning in life comes only by answering the eternal questions listed above, and they are adequately addressed only in the Christian faith. No other religion can tell us who we are, how we got here, and where we are going after death. And no other belief system teaches that we are known and loved individually by the God of the universe and by His only Son, Jesus Christ.
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Every belief system claims to "tell us who we are, how we got here, and where we are going after death." If Dobson wants us to accept Christianity as different, he'd better trot out some proof.

Timing is critical. Researcher George Barna confirms what we have known—that it becomes progressively more difficult to influence children spiritually as they grow older. If a person does not accept Jesus Christ as Savior before the age of fourteen, the likelihood of ever doing so is slim.
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I'll agree with this. So kathy, since most (if not all) of the non-believers on the board are over 14, and Dobson says there's practically no chance of us ever accepting Jesus, why don't you quit preaching at us and let us live our lives in peace?
 
Oh, c'mon Terry, don't you want to experience the "Love of Jesus"? I understand that he's good with "wood".
 
Timing is critical. Researcher George Barna confirms what we have known—that it becomes progressively more difficult to influence children spiritually as they grow older. If a person does not accept Jesus Christ as Savior before the age of fourteen, the likelihood of ever doing so is slim.
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Yes! Get them while they are young! Condition them, instill fear, promise them happiness and everything they want. Do whatever is necessary, for once they start to reason, all hope of believing the delusion is gone.
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
OK, so strength training's not for you. Satan's got an aerobics program, too, you know. And one hell of a sauna.
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I find your proposals interesting, sir. I currently belong to the church of Java, and except for the runs to the bathroom, I am satisfied. But where does your dark Lord stand on the subject of, oh *looks down bashfully, twists toe in sand* goat fisting?
 
roger said:
I find your proposals interesting, sir. I currently belong to the church of Java, and except for the runs to the bathroom, I am satisfied. But where does your dark Lord stand on the subject of, oh *looks down bashfully, twists toe in sand* goat fisting?
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Would I be working for him if he disapproved?
 
kurious_kathy said:
I really don't know why non-believers don't struggle the way believers do sometimes. I think because maybe most people are are not a threat to the evil one. The biggest target of spirtual warfare seems to be how Satan can destroy the family unit. I know this one because I myself was almost divorced twice after a ten year struggle in my marriage. It's only because of Jesus that my marriage is back together.
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It took a while but I think I get it. Satan's biggest threat are the believers, so they are most apt to be victims of his work. So the best way to avoid evil and lead an evil free life would be to not believe in god. It seems that god is Satan's trick.

Who knew that we atheists had made the right choice all along?
 
kurious kathy said:
Hi sling, I try to remember to not say never, always, and everyone. There is only one time I will say everyone and that's when it come to finding and receiving truth. Everyone deserves to know the truth. Is that possible, probably not, but definitely worth striving for!
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You're not interested in the truth, kk. In your faith, you have suspended reason and logic in exchange for embracing a blind belief unsupported by reality. No matter what anyone says to your fallacious ramblings, you don't have to think or provide evidence, all you need to say is you believe it to be the case, and that's sufficient. But, then again, your God felt that eating from the Tree of Knowledge was a punishable act. Hmmm. Coincidence?

Because Ayn Rand puts it even more eloquently, I'll include her words:

"The good, say the mystics of spirit, is God, a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man's power to conceive- a definition that invalidates man's consciousness and nullifies his concepts of existence...Man's mind, say the mystics of spirit, must be subordinated to the will of God... Man's standard of value, say the mystics of spirit, is the pleasure of God, whose standards are beyond man's power of comprehension and must be accepted on faith....The purpose of man's life...is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question."

Amen.

Oh, yeah, in what manner is your God just, KK?
 
Oh, yeah. Here's one more for you, KK:

To rest one's case on faith means to concede that reason is on the side of one's enemies- that one has no rational arguments to offer.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I can't explain all of it, but God can. I'm sure your brother has been under some extreme spiritual warfare that maybe as a believer he wasn't aware of.

I really don't know why non-believers don't struggle the way believers do sometimes. I think because maybe most people are are not a threat to the evil one. The biggest target of spirtual warfare seems to be how Satan can destroy the family unit. I know this one because I myself was almost divorced twice after a ten year struggle in my marriage. It's only because of Jesus that my marriage is back together.
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That’s a bit arrogant and insulting. Non-believers struggle with life the same as anyone else. Mine is only one example. The point is that people struggle with life, whether they believe in a deity or not.

Some christians are good people, others aren’t. Some atheists are good people, others aren’t. Some Hindus are good people, others aren’t. Some Raelians aren’t very good people, just like the rest of them.

So if we’re all struggling in life across the board, regardless of spiritual beliefs, isn’t it more likely that how “good” a person turns out to be depends a lot more on their environment and their choices than on the supposed influence of any gods or their red-horned antagonists?

The only difference seems to be that you want to give undue credit to that deity. If I turn my life around, I’m going to give myself the credit for that turnaround, quite deservedly.

My experience has shown me that a god is the least useful explanation of anything.

Yes I messed up, but God forgave me and helped me mend it as much as possible. So see God will help restore the lost years the locusts have eaten, if we let him. As far as your brother maybe he just never learned to surrender his will to Christ. Is he a follower of Christ? Being religious and knowing Jesus seems to be two totally different things in my opinion.

Here's an article on Who Is Jesus?... http://www.atstracts.org/readarticle.php?id=47
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We were raised as Southern Baptists………….in Texas, so yeah, we know all about Jesus and “giving our lives” to him.

As far as “knowing” Christ, I’m sorry, but it’s just rhetoric to say that we can “know” someone who’s been dead for two thousand years. Especially when the scant details we have of that person’s life were written from a fan’s point of view.
 
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