More garbage from Dobson

[kurious_kathy]

Strange that this happens in the most Christian of all nations, don't you think?

Ya know this whole issue of the USA being a Christian Nation today really bothers me because it doesn't appear to be the nation it once was. When our government was first set up it was set up on Godly principles. Now since the 1960's they have butchered everything. They changed the original text in American history books and they have let everything get pretty messed up.
Here's an article about ten things we Americans need to do to try to turn things around. http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=64
In fact this organization is one I am glad is going out and trying to educate people on how we may be able to get this nation turned back around to it's original purpose and direction. We've lost much of what this country was once so proudly built on. "America God Blessed Thee" if we can turn back to God then maybe he would heal lots of the problems overwelming our nation?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Ya know this whole issue of the USA being a Christian Nation today really bothers me because it doesn't appear to be the nation it once was. When our government was first set up it was set up on Godly principles. Now since the 1960's they have butchered everything. They changed the original text in American history books and they have let everything get pretty messed up.
Here's an article about ten things we Americans need to do to try to turn things around. http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=64
In fact this organization is one I am glad is going out and trying to educate people on how we may be able to get this nation turned back around to it's original purpose and direction. We've lost much of what this country was once so proudly built on. "America God Blessed Thee" if we can turn back to God then maybe he would heal lots of the problems overwelming our nation?

I, too, am appalled at the moral decay in this country. I think we need to go back to how things were in the early 1950s. We can start by taking 'under God' right out of the pledge.

 

[Ryokan]

Ya know this whole issue of the USA being a Christian Nation today really bothers me because it doesn't appear to be the nation it once was.

So, which nation on Earth is more Christian than the US, then? Besides the Vatican, I mean.

 

[nelsondogg]

Ya know this whole issue of the USA being a Christian Nation today really bothers me because it doesn't appear to be the nation it once was. When our government was first set up it was set up on Godly principles...

Yeah, we need to go back to having black people be slaves, and not letting women vote, and go and shoot dead the rest of the Native Americans and take their casinos too. Ahh, the good 'ol days.

 

[empeake]

Ya know this whole issue of the USA being a Christian Nation today really bothers me because it doesn't appear to be the nation it once was. When our government was first set up it was set up on Godly principles.

I might be wrong here, but:

Weren't many (if not most) of the Founding Fathers Deists, opposed to Christianity and any other form of religion?

Isn't true that the Constitution of the United States doesn't mention Jesus Christ, Christianity, the Bible, or God?

Didn't Abraham Lincoln say, "The Bible is not my book and Christianity is not my religion"?

Didn't George Washington say, "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches"?

Didn't James Madison say, "Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects"?

Yes kurious_kathy, the USA is not the nation it once was. The legacy of the Founding Fathers has been corrupted with religion.

 

[chillzero]

And I think ultimately God will judge these dads that got women pregnant and then decided they wouldn't take any responsibility for them. I don't know the statistics in other countries, but I do know the US is way to high on the divorce rate or unwed mothers. If people are going to choose to have sex outside of marriage, there is consequences. Who else can turn it around. I quess women could be wiser and tell guys forget it, no marriage, no sex. What will that do? Do you think guys will respect women more for saying no, or will they become evil and go and rape the girl. This really is a moral issue.

Women aren't the only people responsible in a relationship for whether sex occurs or not, you know. And men aren't the only people who can take the decision that marriage isn't required beforehand.

Nor is it true that should a man be denied sex, he will instantly and automatically become a sex-craved maniac, incapable of making any rational decison and must have sex at any cost. Believe it or not, some men are willing to wait until their chosen partner is ready to take that step. Most men who are not prepared to wait will go find someone else: not break down into some evil rapist.

Sex outside marriage is not an issue to anyone other than the couple. Children outside marriage is a whole other issue, but still not really a moral one - more one of responsibility.

Christians need to understand that sex is not always the prime motiviation in people for every single decision that is made, or action that is taken.

 

[Ladewig]

Ya know this whole issue of the USA being a Christian Nation today really bothers me because it doesn't appear to be the nation it once was. When our government was first set up it was set up on Godly principles.

Godly principle such as "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"?

Godly prinicples such as the religious folks in Massachusetts telling Roger Williams (who belonged to a different denomination of Christianity) either follow our religious beliefs or face prison and banishment?

Godly principles like slavery and putting men above women?



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From KK's link

The second reversal must center on the restoration of the personal benefits derived from living by Godly principles. For example, when the Courts ruled that students might not use the Ten Commandments, nor study the Scriptures, nor learn about sexual abstinence, etc.,

The U.S. Supreme Court has never ruled that students must not learn of sexual abstinence.
Kathy, you would do well to not believe everything you read on the internet. People claiming to be religious leaders sometimes lie. Check their facts against other sources.

 

[Ipecac]

Now since the 1960's they have butchered everything. They changed the original text in American history books and they have let everything get pretty messed up.

Yeah, I hated it when they did that. I preferred it when my history book had only the original text. Of course, the "original text" didn't cover any history after 1787 so I always wondered what happened since then. But doggone it, the original text was just so original.

 

[KillerBob]

Ah, maybe you would have even got in worse trouble not believing in him. I found out from my own painful rebellion that God is faithful and just. He may not take away all the consequences from my past, but he still gives me the grace I need to survive and move forward in faith, hope, and love.

So if MDC's parents weren't believers, it would have been the reason MDC was getting into trouble. Since they were believers, then their belief is the only thing that kept him from ending up dead or something. Nice little win-win scenario you set up there.


Since I love anecdotes sooooo much:
I have 2 sisters and 1 brother, the youngest of which is nearly thirteen years older than me. Our parents divorced when I was about 7, so they had a father figure in the home until their 20's, but obviously I didn't. Both of my parents were, and still are, very religious.

Fast forward a quarter of a century or so. My sisters and I all have college degrees, good careers, and strong family lives. I'm an atheist and both of my sisters are ambivalent to religion.

My brother is still extremely religious. He's told me all about the Focus on the Family crowd a number of times and how they have a lot of great advice that could help me with my family life. His church-going habits, however, are often limited because he spends almost as much time in jail as he does outside of it. He's also left behind a trail of broken marriages and nieces and nephews that I barely know.

Yeah, it's anecdotal, but that seems to be your favorite type of evidence, so please explain the scenario above.



Here's a hint: personal responsibility vs. god - which has a better track record?

 

[pchams]

I don't think it's garbage at all. They have done a lot of research on this issue of kids raised without dads at home ,and it does seem most of the USA's incarcerated population comes from that type of backround.

Heck I have single mom friends that have had troubles getting there teens to respect them and then the they are off getting high and ripping people off and behind bars before you know it.

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Utter nonsense.
It's the parent(s), whether one or two who have failed the child.
I am a single parent. My teenage daughter is fine.
I bothered to spend time with her, and taught her to think critically.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Utter nonsense.
It's the parent(s), whether one or two who have failed the child.
I am a single parent. My teenage daughter is fine.
I bothered to spend time with her, and taught her to think critically.

Yeah, but if she had two parents, like she's supposed to, she would have cured cancer by now.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Yeah, it's anecdotal, but that seems to be your favorite type of evidence, so please explain the scenario above.

I can't explain all of it, but God can. I'm sure your brother has been under some extreme spiritual warfare that maybe as a believer he wasn't aware of.

I really don't know why non-believers don't struggle the way believers do sometimes. I think because maybe most people are are not a threat to the evil one. The biggest target of spirtual warfare seems to be how Satan can destroy the family unit. I know this one because I myself was almost divorced twice after a ten year struggle in my marriage. It's only because of Jesus that my marriage is back together.

Yes I messed up, but God forgave me and helped me mend it as much as possible. So see God will help restore the lost years the locusts have eaten, if we let him. As far as your brother maybe he just never learned to surrender his will to Christ. Is he a follower of Christ? Being religious and knowing Jesus seems to be two totally different things in my opinion.

Here's an article on Who Is Jesus?... http://www.atstracts.org/readarticle.php?id=47

 

[Jimbo07]

I can't explain all of it, but God can. I'm sure your brother has been under some extreme spiritual warfare that maybe as a believer he wasn't aware of.

I really don't know why non-believers don't struggle the way believers do sometimes.

That's about all of it, summed up right there.

(emphasis: mine)

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

We don't struggle because Satan gives us lots of money, power, fast cars, and faster women (or men) in exchange for our souls, of course.

 

[kurious_kathy]

We don't struggle because Satan gives us lots of money, power, fast cars, and faster women (or men) in exchange for our souls, of course.

And when your life is over what will you think, was it worth it? I can just picture it now Marquis your sitting in hell cringing and wishing you would have listened when God was trying to reach you. The problem then is it will surely be too late to repent!

The verse "What does it profit a man if he gain the world but lose his soul" comes to mind. Think about it, seriously!!

In the end what did you really gain? A little temporary pleasure in life? No thanks, I was on that road and it wasn't worth it. Why live in darkness when the light is so much better?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

And when your life is over what will you think, was it worth it?
The verse "what does it profit a man if he gain the world but lose his soul" comes to mind.

The response "Um, the world, obviously. Weren't you listening to what you said?" comes to mind.

In the end what did you really gain? A little temporary pleasure in life? No thanks, I was on that road and it wasn't worth it.

Wait. Wait wait wait. You always tell us how dreadful and horrible your life was before Jebus filled you with his Holy Spit. Now you're saying you were experiencing pleasure at the time? Which is it?

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I can just picture it now Marquis your sitting in hell cringing and wishing you would have listened when God was trying to reach you. The problem then is it will surely be too late to repent!

I really hope you're enjoying that picture in your head. Am I naked?

 

[I less than three logic]

And when your life is over what will you think, was it worth it?
The verse "what does it profit a man if he gain the world but lose his soul" comes to mind.

In the end what did you really gain? A little temporary pleasure in life? No thanks, I was on that road and it wasn't worth it.

Detecting sarcasm isn't one of your stronger skills, is it?

 

[kurious_kathy]

The response "Um, the world, obviously. Weren't you listening to what you said?" comes to mind.


Wait. Wait wait wait. You always tell us how dreadful and horrible your life was before Jebus filled you with his Holy Spit. Now you're saying you were experiencing pleasure at the time? Which is it?

Oh I was definately out to do in my way. My way was wrong and only led me down the road to lose everything, including almost my life.

The thing is I found out the reason for my struggle was I wasn't seeing it the right way. I could have avoided God's wrath and a lot of pain in my life had I just seen that seeking pleasure and worldy gain was the wrong thing.

What motivates a man to seek pleasure rather than God?
The song by Santana comes to mind when I look back at my past. "You've got to change your evil ways, baby."

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Oh I was definately out to do in my way. My way was wrong and only led me down the road to lose everythin, including almost my life.

The thing is I found out the reason for my struggle was I wasn't seeing it the right way. I could have avoided God's wrath and a lot of pain in my life had I just seen that seeking pleasure and worldy gain was the wrong thing.

What motivates a man to seek pleasure rather than God? The song by Santana comes to mind when I look back at my past. "Youv'e got to change your evil ways, baby."

Did you ever consider renegotiating your contract with Satan? I know he's a hard sell, but after I helped him deconvert 100 Christians in the 03-04 season alone, he offered me a new incentive-based contract, with a huge upfront signing bonus.

Maybe you should have gotten a better agent.

 

[Genesius]

Did you ever consider renegotiating your contract with Satan? I know he's a hard sell, but after I helped him deconvert 100 Christians in the 03-04 season alone, he offered me a new incentive-based contract, with a huge upfront signing bonus.

Maybe you should have gotten a better agent.

Now I'll have this picture in my head all day: your avatar floating there, munching popcorn, and telling Christians "Nah, Satan's just got bad PR. C'mon over to the fun side, and never suffer guilt pangs again!"