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9/11 commission invented the "Phantom Flight 11"

Mutton-Head

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The 9/11 commission invented the "Phantom Flight 11" story, to cover-up the fact that fighters did not intecept AA77.

And now, it's time for bed. See you Friday.
 
Mutton-Head said:
The 9/11 commission invented the "Phantom Flight 11" story, to cover-up the fact that fighters did not intecept AA77.

And now, it's time for bed. See you Friday.
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You post something accusing a group of people of taking part in a mass murder, with no evidence, and walk away. You're quite the piece of work.
 
CptColumbo said:
You post something accusing a group of people of taking part in a mass murder, with no evidence, and walk away. You're quite the piece of work.
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I'm trying to figure out an efficient word to describe the tactics folks like Mutton-Head use to cast Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt to shore up their untenable theories, while still folowing the explative rules of this forum....
 
Mutton-Head said:
The 9/11 commission invented the "Phantom Flight 11" story, to cover-up the fact that fighters did not intecept AA77.

And now, it's time for bed. See you Friday.
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I am a billionare with several supermodel girlfriends who answer to my every whim. And now, it's time to go to bed with the four of them. See you in 14 seconds.
 
The 9/11 commission invented the "Phantom Flight 11" story, to cover-up the fact that fighters did not intecept AA77.

And now, it's time for bed. See you Friday.
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You know, if you're going to do that, you could at least have the courtesy to write It's True :) at the end.
 
Mutton-Head said:
The 9/11 commission invented the "Phantom Flight 11" story, to cover-up the fact that fighters did not intecept AA77.

And now, it's time for bed. See you Friday.
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The evidence is in both the FAA and NORAD com and radar loops. Since the 9/11 Commision had yet to be constituted, can you explain that neat little trick?
 
CptColumbo said:
You post something accusing a group of people of taking part in a mass murder, with no evidence, and walk away. You're quite the piece of work.
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Oh please, get over yourself. You're way too melodramatic. Absolutely nothing like Columbo. It's Friday morning, I said I'd be back.
 
Cylinder said:
The evidence is in both the FAA and NORAD com and radar loops. Since the 9/11 Commision had yet to be constituted, can you explain that neat little trick?
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No, there is no evidence. the story that they were following "phantom flight 11" was invented long after the fact (2004). On the commission's report, on page 26, is a supposed conversation with an FAA official. There is no piece of physical evidence that that conversation took place. The FAA individual is not named. General Larry Arnold had no recolection of there ever being a "phantom flight 11." Even the report itself says, of the supposed taped conversation, "We have been unable to identify the source of this mistaken FAA information"
 
Mutton-Head said:
Even the report itself says, of the supposed taped conversation, "We have been unable to identify the source of this mistaken FAA information"
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Yes that's because they have heard a taped recording of communications regarding this AA11, but cannot work out where the error occured that resulted in this false aircraft.

That's pretty clear. It makes it more likely they're going off a recording. If they were told in interviews about AA11 it would be a simple thing to ask "why did you think it was AA11?"
"Oh well, that's what Hank told me it was..."
"Hank, why did you think it was AA11?"
"Well Jeff came over to me and..."

And so forth. This would be straight forward.

However, a recorded voice, that they might not be able to actually identify, is another story...

And why would the commission report double-cover the failure to intercept AA77? That just doubles the risk of being caught out.

Failure to intercept AA77 is explained by the 090 for 60 flight plan that the F-16's took. The phantom AA11 is irrelevant.

-Andrew
 
Mutton-Head said:
No, there is no evidence. the story that they were following "phantom flight 11" was invented long after the fact (2004). On the commission's report, on page 26, is a supposed conversation with an FAA official. There is no piece of physical evidence that that conversation took place. The FAA individual is not named. General Larry Arnold had no recolection of there ever being a "phantom flight 11." Even the report itself says, of the supposed taped conversation, "We have been unable to identify the source of this mistaken FAA information"
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Where did they obtain a transcript of this coversation between Boston Center and NEADS?

FAA: Military, Boston Center. I just had a report that American 11 is still in the air, and it's on its way towards-heading towards Washington.

NEADS: Okay. American 11 is still in the air?

FAA: Yes.

NEADS: On its way towards Washington?

FAA: That was another-it was evidently another aircraft that hit the tower. That's the latest report we have.

NEADS: Okay.

FAA: I'm going to try to confirm an ID for you, but I would assume he's somewhere over, uh, either New Jersey or somewhere further south.

NEADS: Okay. So American 11 isn't the hijack at all then, right?

FAA: No, he is a hijack.

NEADS: He-American 11 is a hijack?

FAA: Yes.

NEADS: And he's heading into Washington?

FAA: Yes. This could be a third aircraft.
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Was that made from whole cloth? The Commission says no. Footnote 148 reads:

148. NEADS audio file, Identification Technician position, channel 7, 9:21:10.
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They got it from the loop.
 
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Cylinder said:
Where did they obtain a transcript of this coversation between Boston Center and NEADS?



Was that made from whole cloth? The Commission says no. Footnote 148 reads:



They got it from the loop.
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The conversation is completely unverifiable. No names. Nobody at FAA, NORAD, or NEADS ever recalled this happening. This story was made up, two full years after the fact.
 
Mutton-Head said:
The conversation is completely unverifiable. No names. Nobody at FAA, NORAD, or NEADS ever recalled this happening. This story was made up, two full years after the fact.
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And I had so much hope for you after your (semi) acceptance that the WTC didn't collapse at free-fall speeds.

-Andrew
 
Mutton-Head said:
The conversation is completely unverifiable. No names. Nobody at FAA, NORAD, or NEADS ever recalled this happening. This story was made up, two full years after the fact.
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Are you claiming that the recording was faked or that it does not exist?
 
The conversation is completely unverifiable. No names. Nobody at FAA, NORAD, or NEADS ever recalled this happening. This story was made up, two full years after the fact.
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Repeating this numerous times doesn't make it true. Footnotes 149-151 all deal with the missing Flight 11, and they all contain the exact channel and time. Moreover, the following quote:

Mission Crew Commander, NEADS: Okay, uh, American Airlines is still airborne. Eleven, the first guy, he's heading towards Washington. Okay? I think we need to scramble Langley right now. And I'm gonna take the fighters from Otis, try to chase this guy down if I can find him.

is footnoted as 149. And it gives the name of the Mission Crew Commander at NEADS who said it: Kevin Nasypany.

That is quite verifiable.
 
ARubberChickenWithAPulley said:
Repeating this numerous times doesn't make it true. Footnotes 149-151 all deal with the missing Flight 11, and they all contain the exact channel and time. Moreover, the following quote:

Mission Crew Commander, NEADS: Okay, uh, American Airlines is still airborne. Eleven, the first guy, he's heading towards Washington. Okay? I think we need to scramble Langley right now. And I'm gonna take the fighters from Otis, try to chase this guy down if I can find him.

is footnoted as 149. And it gives the name of the Mission Crew Commander at NEADS who said it: Kevin Nasypany.

That is quite verifiable.
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My problem with that, is that it completely contradicts NORADs first report, "Air War Over America." And, General Larry Arnold, incharge of NORAD at the time, had no knowledge of that ever happening.
 
Mutton-Head said:
My problem with that, is that it completely contradicts NORADs first report, "Air War Over America." And, General Larry Arnold, incharge of NORAD at the time, had no knowledge of that ever happening.
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The NEADS MCC works in Rome, NY. Maj Gen Arnold commanded CONUS NORAD (1ST Air Force), headquartered in Tyndall AFB, FL.
 
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