Weakened support of Hezbollah?

[FireGarden]

After more than a week of bombardment, more than 300 Lebanese have been killed. Almost a third of them children. The same as a random sampling.

Has this lowered support for Hezbollah?

Lebanese defense minister: Army will fight ground invasion

"The Lebanese army - and I stress - the Lebanese army will resist and defend and will prove that it is an army that deserves respect," he said.

In most of the previous Israeli attacks, including in 1978 and the 1982 invasion in which Beirut was occupied, the Lebanese army largely stayed out of the fighting

In previous Israeli attacks, including the 78-82 invasion, the Lebanese army largely stood aside and let Hezbollah and communist militias fight Israel.

Now they say they are going to fight.
How has Israel's insanity weakened Hezbollah?

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Israel hasn't weakned Hezbollah at all. They are simply making them stronger by making more people support them. Killing hundreds of innocent civilians isn't hurting Hezbollah at all, Just increasing their popular support.


I'd love to see the response of these people defending Israel killing innocent children once the Lebanese army joins the fight and it gets to be an even worse situation.




Oh yes..Israel sure did the right thing!

 

[webfusion]

From the article cited:

"It is nearly impossible in southern Lebanon to move anything anywhere because it is too dangerous. It is too dangerous for our people to move things,” Egeland said.

Excellent.
This cannot possibly make the Lebanese thrilled by the cause-and-effect results of Hexballah's adventurism, and same thing with half-a-million internal refugees, and the entire casino industry is done, and the tourists have left (a tremendously thriving season was well underway on July 10th), and the airport is closed to exports ----- and all this because of Hexballah acting to pull a stupid stunt (on orders of Iran, in support of Hamas, which had pulled the same stunt a few weeks before, to similar devastating results in gaza).

Mr Egeland, let us hear from you ---
"As a representative of the United Nations, I am prepared to intercede and take responsibility for the return of the 3 IDF hostages. NOW!
I call on Lebanon's government to demand an end to the Hezbollah's insanity. I also call on Syria to demand Khaled Mashaal order his operatives in gaza to release Cpl Shalit. I call on Israel to stop attacking once their soldiers are safely back home, and this entire matter will end there."

Who is insane, FireGarden?
Get your facts straight.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

From the article cited:

"It is nearly impossible in southern Lebanon to move anything anywhere because it is too dangerous. It is too dangerous for our people to move things,” Egeland said.

Excellent.
This cannot possibly make the Lebanese thrilled by the cause-and-effect results of Hexballah's adventurism, and same thing with half-a-million internal refugees, and the entire casino industry is done, and the tourists have left (a tremendously thriving season was well underway on July 10th), and the airport is closed to exports ----- and all this because of Hexballah acting to pull a stupid stunt (on orders of Iran, in support of Hamas, which had pulled the same stunt a few weeks before, to similar devastating results in gaza).

All of which the lebanese blame on Israel...And rightfully so.

 

[webfusion]

Killing hundreds of innocent civilians isn't hurting Hezbollah at all.

That number is a fabrication.
I am quite sure that the IDF has targeted and killed over 200 Hezbollah combatants from that 300+ total, and the remaining 100 or so other fatalities are collateral to that.

Which is really a very small number, considering. I would bet that more than 100 die in road accidents along the Lebanese highways during the summer.

 

[webfusion]

All of which the lebanese blame on Israel...And rightfully so.

How do you figure?
The Lebanese are not dummies.
They know perfectly well that Hezbollah has screwed them, and they are completely aware that Syrian/Iran did it to destabilize their nation.

How come you aren't calling for the return of the IDF hostages?
I have followed your ramblings for a few days now all over JREF, and not once has that come flying out of your keyboard, dust.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

That number is a fabrication.
I am quite sure that the IDF has targeted and killed over 200 Hezbollah combatants from that 300+ total, and the remaining 100 or so other fatalities are collateral to that.

Over 300
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3D2487E0-32C8-4C57-8291-BBE2977EBF29.htm


Over 280
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5193662.stm

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

How come you aren't calling for the return of the IDF hostages?
I have followed your ramblings for a few days now all over JREF, and not once has that come flying out of your keyboard, dust.

1.It's a given Hezbollah should return their hostages. That goes unstated.



2.Israel has already stated that would NOT end the violence against Lebanon.

 

[The Painter]

Israel hasn't weakned Hezbollah at all. They are simply making them stronger by making more people support them. Killing hundreds of innocent civilians isn't hurting Hezbollah at all, Just increasing their popular support.


I'd love to see the response of these people defending Israel killing innocent children once the Lebanese army joins the fight and it gets to be an even worse situation.




Oh yes..Israel sure did the right thing!

Lebanon has an army?????? Why didn’t they go after Hezbollah and disarm them as the UN proclaimed? This whole conflict could have been avoided.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Lebanon has an army?????? Why didn’t they go after Hezbollah and disarm them as the UN proclaimed? This whole conflict could have been avoided.

This has been explained over a dozen times. Most of The lebanese Army are Shiite muslims. The lebanese prime minister said that if he ordered them to go after Hezbollah, He was afraid of what would of happened.

 

[webfusion]

Lebanon has an army?????? Why didn’t they go after Hezbollah and disarm them as the UN proclaimed? This whole conflict could have been avoided.

Nah, UN resolution 1559 was ignored because, like HAMAS, the Hezbollah are entrenched as great islamic scholars and benefactors and day-care providers.
Heck, in the the next Lebanese elections, with all the support they've garnered in the current debacle, I wouldn't be surprised to see them get a majority and be the heads of the government... (see: Hamas)


Oy vey.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

I saw a news report of a news team going into a neighborhood and the Hezbollah guards wouldn't let them in because they were literally afraid that if the news was shown where the children were...Israel would bomb that spot. So they were afraid to let the media in fearing Israel would see where the children are hiding and bomb them.

 

[DreadNiK]

I saw a news report of a news team going into a neighborhood and the Hezbollah guards wouldn't let them in because they were literally afraid that if the news was shown where the children were...Israel would bomb that spot. So they were afraid to let the media in fearing Israel would see where the children are hiding and bomb them.

Wow, Hezbollah are even more retarded and fanatical than thought previously, then, if they believe that the IDF would deliberately target children. Maybe they see targeting children as a valid tactic and so they assume everyone else does...

 

[webfusion]

This has been explained over a dozen times. Most of The lebanese Army are Shiite muslims. The lebanese prime minister said that if he ordered them to go after Hezbollah, He was afraid of what would of happened.

What would of happened?

What are they gonna do now?
Send up a few clunky fighter-jets to destroy the IAF?
Roll out a few old tanks to confront the Merkava MKv's?
Throw a coupla scared-sh*tless divisions into the fray?

Tell us, mr. expert military tactician...

 

[The Painter]

This has been explained over a dozen times. Most of The lebanese Army are Shiite muslims. The lebanese prime minister said that if he ordered them to go after Hezbollah, He was afraid of what would of happened.

So, let me get this right. If the prime minister sends the army after Hezbollah, he’s afraid Hezbollah will attack. Now if he doesn’t send the army after Hezbollah, Israel will attack. Is this right????

You guys were screwed no matter what happened.

 

[webfusion]

Wow, Hezbollah are even more retarded and fanatical than thought previously, then, if they believe that the IDF would deliberately target children. Maybe they see targeting children as a valid tactic and so they assume everyone else does...

I saw the same MSNBC report.
My impression exactly... their own methodology led them to imagine that the Israelis are going to use a tactic that they themselves have employed...

Sick.

 

[zenith-nadir]

2.Israel has already stated that would NOT end the violence against Lebanon.

Here's the piece of the puzzle that many seem to miss Dustin. We don't care what everyone thinks.

All those people demanding Israel stop immediately aren't the ones who have Hamas and Islamic Jihad to the east and west and Hezbollah to the north. The worst thing most of the people demanding a ceasefire have to worry about is finding a good parking spot at the mall... or at Starbucks. They don't have to live with islamofacist jihad wackos such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah on their borders.

While in Israel folks do have to worry about suicide bombers, terror attacks, Qassam rockets from Gaza or Katyusha rockets from Lebanon. Israelis do have to worry about Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah.

And before everyone gives the Lebanese government a free pass - specifically Prime Minister Fouad Siniora - let's take a trip down memory lane:

Wednesday, November 07, 2001

Lebanon will not freeze Hezbollah's assets as it is a resistance movement instead of a terrorist organization, Finance Minister Fouad Siniora said Tuesday.

"We insist that resistance movements should be differentiated from terrorist groups because they fight for liberating their occupied lands," the minister was quoted by the official NNA news agency as saying.

29 July 2005

BEIRUT, 29 July 2005 — Lebanon’s new government defended the right of Hezbollah guerrillas to resist Israel and pledged solid ties with Syria yesterday, policies Parliament has begun to debate ahead of a confidence vote.

Siniora said the government would defend Lebanon’s right to resistance, a term usually used for pro-Syrian Hizbollah...

“The government considers the resistance a natural and honest expression of the Lebanese people’s national rights to liberate their land and defend their honor against Israeli aggression and threats,” he told Parliament.

April 23, 2006

BLITZER: You're here in Washington. The State Department, the Bush administration, the U.S. government considers Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization with close ties to Syria and Iran.

What do you think Hezbollah is?

SINIORA: We see it, in Lebanon, differently, that Hezbollah is a Lebanese party, which was quite effective in empowering the Lebanese.

(all emphasis mine)

I'd love to see the response of these people defending Israel killing innocent children.....

Yes...think of the children...I know the Hezbollah leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah does:

Jul. 20, 2006 23:22

Nasrallah: Nazereth children are martyrs

Of the two Arab children from Nazereth who were killed by a Katyusha rocket on Wednesday, Nasrallah said they were "martyrs for the Palestinian cause."

The Hizbullah leader offered his condolences to the family of the two brothers in an interview with Al-Jazeera television.

Hezbollah specifically targets Israeli civilians, and when children - who were specifically targeted with malice aforethought - were killed by Hezbollah... and it turned out they were Arabs living in Israel.... suddenly they became "martyrs for the Palestinian cause." Go figure. This is the mentality of the leader of Hezbollah.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

So, let me get this right. If the prime minister sends the army after Hezbollah, he’s afraid Hezbollah will attack. Now if he doesn’t send the army after Hezbollah, Israel will attack. Is this right????

You guys were screwed no matter what happened.

No...If the lebanese army was sent to attack Hezbollah..There is a good chance they would trade sides since over 60% of the Lebanese army are shiite muslims. The prime minister was afraid of some kind of a backfire. He was living peacefully alongside Hezbollah for many years and they were providing many social services. Right now however Israel is much more of a threat than hezbollah so the Prime minister will likely send his troops in support of Hezbollah to atleast defend Lebanese civilians.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Wow, Hezbollah are even more retarded and fanatical than thought previously, then, if they believe that the IDF would deliberately target children. Maybe they see targeting children as a valid tactic and so they assume everyone else does...

If you would have been paying attention to the news you would not think they're so retarded. Israel targed a truckload of children traveling alongside a road trying to get away from towns being bombed. 13 children died in that one instance. They are now talking about starting a humanatrian charge against Israel.

 

[webfusion]

Over 300
aljazeera.net

Over 280
bbc.co.uk

1. I want to see you Say It --- say that you wish to see the unconditional release of the three IDF hostages, kidnapped by similar terrorist organizations attacking on two fronts against Israel. It is the one thing missing from your narrative, in all these threads, Dustin.

2. Israel has already stated that would NOT end the violence against Lebanon.
--------- Source for that?


3. Aljazeera -- now there's an unbiased source --
Eleven (other) civilians were killed in an Israeli air strike on a four-storey building in the eastern Lebanese village of Nabi Sheet.

Just one building, in an IAF air strike, by multi-million-dollar jet aircraft sent on a mission specifically to NabiSheet, which you couldn't find on a map? Explain that to me: The IAF had no intelligence about who was in that building, the IAF chose that four-storey structure at random, and the IAF command and control hierarchy ordered a highly-trained pilot to embark over enemy territory and blow up any old apartment house, just so the Aljazeera network could report eleven innocent civilians were killed?

I'm skeptical.

More likely explanation of the mission:

IAF destroyed 9 Hezbollah members who were sleeping in this building, and 2 of their family became collateral fatalties.


As for the BBC, they take their information like a baby takes pablum...
At least six people died in the southern town of Nabatiyeh, while civilian deaths were also reported in other parts of the south and near Baalbek in the east.

Reported by whom? Confirmed by whom? Verified by whom?
Hezbollah is not a force in uniform. Their members are guerillas, wearing civilain clothes, and sleeping at home, not in barracks or on bases.

The IAF gets information on who exactly is Hezbollah in a village, from local spies, and they blow up the house or the entire row of homes. That is what is happening, and hundreds of Hezbollah men are probably counted among these 'innocent civilan' dead, -------- I have seen not ONE report of a Hezbollah fighter killed. Not one.

Why is that, BBC? AlJazeera?

Is the IDF totally incompetent and completely unable to accurately target their multi-level technologically-advanced war effort upon the very combatants they claim to be hitting, day after day?

Something doesn't add up.
Like I said, I'm skeptical.