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9/11 denialist on "Hannity and Colmes"

The "thermite residue" conclusion is just based on the presence of sulphur in the steel. It's suspect because there wasn't the corresponding aluminum oxide or pure iron you'd expect to accompany the sulfur, and the sulphur is much more easily explained by the huge amount of gypsum sheetrock in the towers.

At least that's what I've heard.

That's correct. The only thing I would add is that there are other potential sources of sulfur apart from the wallboard that have not been ruled out. The wallboard is just the most obvious and most plentiful source.

Also, see Huntsman's post for the other compounds you'd expect to find in addition to the sulfur, if you were really at evidence of thermate.
 
That's correct. The only thing I would add is that there are other potential sources of sulfur apart from the wallboard that have not been ruled out. The wallboard is just the most obvious and most plentiful source.

Also, see Huntsman's post for the other compounds you'd expect to find in addition to the sulfur, if you were really at evidence of thermate.
I quoted Huntsman's comments in the termite thread, no real responses.
 
Especially a building as big as the WTC. I would think that would take a hell of a lot of thermite.

Also, there are no explosions with thermite. So someone rambling about squibs and loud booms that day can't also ramble about thermite.

Doesn't thermite kinda just "eat" through metal, producing a fair amount of sparks ?

Well, kinda looked that way in the video I saw.

ETA: And is it "thermite" or "thermate" ? Huntsman's confusing me.
 
Doesn't thermite kinda just "eat" through metal, producing a fair amount of sparks ?

Well, kinda looked that way in the video I saw.

ETA: And is it "thermite" or "thermate" ? Huntsman's confusing me.

Thermate is thermite with sulfer and/or barium nitrate added iirc.
 
The Honorable Gary Coleman

Hannity has a tendency to bring lightweights on his show to make himself look good. During the Cal governor recall, he had Gary Coleman on, and proceeded to hit him with all these big political issues (Coleman was on the ballot).

Of course, no one legitimate took Gary Coleman seriously in the first place and wouldn't waste their time. But Hannity really showed him! Great, Sean, you are so clever. Be sure to put it on your resume ("More politically savvy than Gary Coleman")

He's like the 6th grader who likes to prove how tough he is by beating up 3rd graders. But when the 8th graders show up...

He was the only guy with the stature for the job...after you consider previous occupants Ronald Reagan and Jerry Brown. :boggled: :D
 
Minor derail as to Fox News Bashing: All news outlets are staffed by humans and are therefore biased. As the news consumer you have to make up your own mind. The news outlets are there to sell advertising not deliver same sacred unbiased truth.

I always found it extremely amusing when Fox News fans called CNN a leftist channel. And then I realized that from their point of view, this is actually correct. When you are on the far right, then everything else is to the left.
 
(Cold) Reading Skills - Are Our Children Learning?

In elementary school, we read literature and examined why each character did what and why. After months of this, and more complex situations, motives and themes were investigated in other books, you noticed people and events were more easily sized-up - and in some cases easy to predict their outcomes. Your interpretation never fell far from the consenus in class either. It was true, life made a comforting deal of sense. Looking back, I would have never guessed that a decade later, it would be such a rare life skill in American society. With that said, a lot of teachers around this country must feel like failures today. Sadly, the more it becomes evident the Iraq invasion was in actuality, pre-planned, when you consider the loss of life, this administration's mounting criminal record, you arrive at two hard, sweeping questions:

1) Would they orchestrate the murder of American citizens as a stepping stone to dominating the middle east?

2) Bush has used the attacks incessantly to justify all his actions, and still does. This was, and still is, odd, moreso as it becomes concrete that it was simply illegal. If that really wasn't why Iraq was invaded, what was. Also, what is the underlying reason the attacks are so important. How does the evidence that "the attack were just a cooincidence" against "the attacks were part of a larger plan" stack up.

Saying "no" at this point is being willfully ignorant. The theory of the world trade center attack being a controlled demolition may have little to stand on (no pun intended), but this hardly means this level of speculation isn't warranted.

Extraordinary criminal versatility requires extraordinary big jumps to conclusions.
 
In elementary school, we read literature and examined why each character did what and why. After months of this, and more complex situations, motives and themes were investigated in other books, you noticed people and events were more easily sized-up - and in some cases easy to predict their outcomes. Your interpretation never fell far from the consenus in class either. It was true, life made a comforting deal of sense. Looking back, I would have never guessed that a decade later, it would be such a rare life skill in American society. With that said, a lot of teachers around this country must feel like failures today. Sadly, the more it becomes evident the Iraq invasion was in actuality, pre-planned, when you consider the loss of life, this administration's mounting criminal record, you arrive at two hard, sweeping questions:

1) Would they orchestrate the murder of American citizens as a stepping stone to dominating the middle east?

2) Bush has used the attacks incessantly to justify all his actions, and still does. This was, and still is, odd, moreso as it becomes concrete that it was simply illegal. If that really wasn't why Iraq was invaded, what was. Also, what is the underlying reason the attacks are so important. How does the evidence that "the attack were just a cooincidence" against "the attacks were part of a larger plan" stack up.

Saying "no" at this point is being willfully ignorant. The theory of the world trade center attack being a controlled demolition may have little to stand on (no pun intended), but this hardly means this level of speculation isn't warranted.

Extraordinary criminal versatility requires extraordinary big jumps to conclusions.

I guess you didn't progress beyond elementary school to make so many fallacies in one post.
 
I guess you didn't progress beyond elementary school to make so many fallacies in one post.

Now that's not nice. In defense of SirPhilip, those conditions do warrant speculation.

Enough speculation to realize all available evidence points to the official conclusion. :rolleyes:
 
NEAT! Between Bob_Kark's Eli Wallach, your Lee Van Cleef and another poster's Clint Eastwood, we have the entire trio!!


The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.. why does that sound like it would fit as the title for a "debate" with 9/11 CT nutcases?? :D
 
Thermate is thermite with sulfer and/or barium nitrate added iirc.

Just to be pendantic, Thermate is the specific name for the formulation used by the U.S. military, and is composed of thermite (68.7%), barium nitrate (29%), sulphur (2%), and fillers (0.3%). It is used as an incendiary device (the Barium nitrate increases the incendiary effect) and can be used for welding.

Thermite, buy itself, has a small radius of effect and burns with little flame. Thermate is specially formulated to increases the flame and burn radius.
 

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