Near-death experiences!

Foster Zygote said:
You haven't the maturity to warrant my further time. I won't reward your evidently obstreperous need for conflict by playing your game. Even being only eighteen years old doesn't excuse your inability to engage in a public debate in a civilized manner. I wash my hands of you.

Steven
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I guess this proves me right. I am interested to see if you will reply, your emotions have already took control of you, causing you to further insult with a PS in your previous post. That added to how you completely misinterpreted my post, and if you read further, would understand that we share much common ground. But instead you choose to run away and post latin phrases at the end of your comments. Whose immature?

By the way, ironic how you accuse dannion of just trying to make money, and in the same post try and get me to buy Randi's book. Okay...

Edit: Have a nice day
 
thaiboxerken said:
It doesn't matter who you're talking to, if you say 2+2=5, you're still wrong. The same goes for the fallacy you are using. The burden of evidence is on you, you've claimed something extraordinary to be true and then want others to prove you wrong. It doesn't work that way, you need to provide substance to your claims.
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Please stop posting garbage. You have not yet disputed anything here or added to the conversation. Have a nice day
 
The problem, Johnny C, is that you claimed that the psychic guy was dead for 28 minutes as if it's a matter of fact. It's not a matter of fact, until you can show that it is a fact, it's not gonna fly to use him as an example.
 
thaiboxerken said:
The problem, Johnny C, is that you claimed that the psychic guy was dead for 28 minutes as if it's a matter of fact. It's not a matter of fact, until you can show that it is a fact, it's not gonna fly to use him as an example.
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Whose psychic guy? I've made it clear I do not believe anyone is psychic. Clarify your question and re-read the thread. Have a nice day
 
Johnny C. said:
By the way, ironic how you accuse dannion of just trying to make money, and in the same post try and get me to buy Randi's book. Okay...
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There is nothing wrong with making money in an honest way. Randi is selling you exactly what he claims to sell you, Dannion is selling fiction and BS and calling it something else.
 
Johnny C. said:
By the way, ironic how you accuse dannion of just trying to make money, and in the same post try and get me to buy Randi's book. Okay...
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OK, just to make you happy, one last thing. The above statement illuminates your inability to construct a cogent argument. How does my suggestion that you read one of Mr. Randi's books have anything to do with Mr. Brinkley getting money from his books? What percentage of Mr. Randi's book sales profits do you suppose I get? I'm pretty sure it's somewhere around 0%. And didn't you first suggest that we read Dannion Brinkley's book? And I don't remember saying you had to buy any books. You only need to use your library card. Furthermore, I know that James Randi has made it perfectly clear that the mountain of evidence for the claims in his books is available for anyone to examine

Steven
 
thaiboxerken said:
Doesn't matter, you are stating that he was dead for 28 minutes and revived. That's the "fact" that is in dispute here.
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As stated earlier in the thread (theres a reason I tell you to reread), he was not breathing with no heart beat from the time in the ambulence until hospital. No brain scan was done.
 
Two things which make near-death experiences interesting to consider:

There are common and recurring themes to these experiences:

Typically the experience follows a distinct progression (Mauro, 1992; Morse, Conner & Tyler, 1985; Morse & Perry, 1992; van Lommel et.al, 2001) as summarized in the following points:

The sudden awareness that one has had a "fatal" accident and not survived.
An out-of-body experience. A sensation of floating above one's body and seeing the surrounding area.
Pleasant feelings, calmness. A sense of overwhelming love and peace.
A sensation of moving upwards through a tunnel or narrow passageway.
Meeting deceased relatives or spiritual figures
Encountering a being of light, or a light (possibly a religious figure, e.g., Jesus Christ, God, Buddha)
Being given a life review
A feeling of being returned to the body, often accompanied by a reluctance to return
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Another is the belief by some religions that out-of-body experiences can occur before death:

Total fasting is generally avoided, as it tends to weaken and slow down one's digestive system, like letting the fire go out. One exception, however, is for the Taoist adept preparing for a long out-of-body journey. Here the yogi must become a true breatharian for weeks or months before leaving the body. Otherwise food left in the intestines would putrify or harden, causing serious problems upon the adept's return to the body.5 Another advantage of becoming a breatharian is the ability to remain in meditation retreat in the mountains for lengthy periods of time without needing supplies
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Johnny C. said:
As stated earlier in the thread (theres a reason I tell you to reread), he was not breathing with no heart beat from the time in the ambulence until hospital. No brain scan was done.
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So goes the story, but I doubt it's a true story. Do you have evidence to support your claims?
 
thaiboxerken said:
So goes the story, but I doubt it's a true story. Do you have evidence to support your claims?
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What are the odds that the attending paramedics didn't administer CPR during his ride to the hospital? Like the "dead" woman put into a cold torpor Mr. Brinkley's "death" seems to be subjective. Even if his heart wouldn't beat on its own the fact that oxygen was being supplied to his brain via the resuscitation efforts of the paramedics makes the whole thing seem rather unremarkable to me.

Steven
 
That, and we don't even know if the story is true. So far, we have a story but there is no actual evidence to support the story. The excuse seems to be "medical records are confidential", yet medical records can be released to the public by individuals and/or family.
 
Huntster said:
If Jesus promoted Old Testament ways, do you think the religious leadership would have been able to justify his death sentence?
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Mark 7:
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Religious leaders were twisted word of God and they believed more tradition of men than word of God ...and that is teh reason why they justified Jesus' death sentence ....
 
PetriFB said:
2Co 3:6 ¶ who also made us able ministers of a new covenant, not of letter, but of Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive.

After Jesus' death started New covenant.........
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My bolding.

Is it just me, or is there something particularly absurd about saying something like that and at the same time promoting a literal Bible interpretation?

PetriFB (and Huntster too, it appears): You are the present-day pharisees and scribes. You are reading the scriptures rigorously, and beating people on their heads with it. You are claiming to know the ways of the Lord by your reading of scripture. You are the kind Jesus was fighting.

Oh, the irony.

Hans
 
You are not worth my time. You are closed mind and wont accept any information if it contradicts your beliefs. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. Have a nice day.
 
I'll accept verifiable evidence, especially scientific evidence. I won't, however, accept fairytales from a book of woo as valid evidence. Also, when it comes to such a weird claim as yours, the evidence better be overwhelming.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I'll accept verifiable evidence, especially scientific evidence. I won't, however, accept fairytales from a book of woo as valid evidence. Also, when it comes to such a weird claim as yours, the evidence better be overwhelming.
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He's right, you know. Some people will believe pretty much anything if it's written in a book, but around here we generally ask for evidence.
 
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