That's not what I seek. I want to see the courts enforce marriage, not declare it dead, then hold people financially liable for it anyway.
How in going after a man for support of a child he made with a woman out-of-wedlock while he was in wedlock with another do the courts declare marriage dead?
You know his wife can take him to the cleaners, right, and enforce the promises he made? Still, you can’t force her to do so, and she may not.
What?! Where and when has that happened?
Where have gay teens been made homeless after telling their parents the truth about their sexual orientation? Everywhere, I’m near sure (Save Castro and Providence Town, maybe), but mainly around more conservative cultures. Our local gay and lesbian community center has an unusually large program for such teens, to keep them off the street, away from prostitution, and drugs, and so on. One of my friends does nothing but counsel homeless gay teens, for the measly living it gives her (again, it’s probably an unusually large problem where I live, due to our surrounding culture).
We don't "kick our children out" in my family; either my immediate or extended family.
Great, I doubted you would. But it is a problem and we all do pay for it.
You’re just going to skip the second irony I mentioned, though? I wish Meadmaker got after you as much as he does your buddy Ken for ignoring the responsibilities for gays involved in this debate and the social costs when they’re not met.
I don't know. What's more, I don't want the "law books" to even address the kind of life I need to be living. I'll determine that myself, thanks.
If you can just live and let live, great.
But with your position on marriage rights, you are taking my families resources in taxes to a greater extent than we take from you, and you’re giving less in return than we give to you. Could be wrong, but you’re seemingly doing it because you want to influence how others live their lives.
At least, in the end, we all pay more for the social programs
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Government can intrude in all aspects of people's lives. I can't, nor do I want to. I've got enough to deal with in my own life, thanks.
But you, like me, vote. I bet you, like me, are a delegate too, no? You call/write your politicians, they know you by name, been to your home, maybe? What’s funny is that I can’t disagree much with your political philosophy and I encourage and vote in my representatives accordingly, but, on this issue, we encourage the opposite.
Me, too.
Yet government already has great power in the abortion question. Granted, that's not "creating" another human life.
It's ending it, without the consent of all those involved in creating it.
That’s true. I think, if a state wanted to experiment, though, restricting a person from making another life, say, by who’s considered optimal by a couple factors, like economics, medical history and so on, you’d start a riot. We even currently give a small pass to the incarcerated. It’d be far worse than the abortion debate.
No doubt. There are even people who claim to be harmed when the majority refuses to redefine an ancient institution so that they can participate, even though it is a violation of the institution.
“Claimed to be harmed”, huh? Do you skip over everything that doesn’t fit? These aren’t just guesses, or suspected mechanisms; they are clear: The economic research on the federal, California, and New Jersey government that showed an increase in tax revenue and lower welfare use if SSM rights were given. The fact that you are encouraging the use of both daycare and welfare by keeping a gay stay-at-home parents from a legal claim to their worker’s income or health insurance. The parents with partners in Iraq who’d be on welfare instead of lauded if their partner were killed. I have a posts and posts of such clear cut harm, and we’ve all been waiting pages for yours.
It’s not just gays; it’s you and your family that’s harmed too. But you’re saying none of that exists?
What’s sad is that you are actually claiming no harm is done when couples with kids are not legally married, and then saying gays are the ones undermining the institution.
I moved. I live in the woods, but I must admit there are lots of recent "cultural refugees" flooding in here, who then change this old frontier into the cesspool they came here to escape.
Aside, you said you’re in Alaska right? We’ll be headed up there in a couple weeks, around Ketchikan, then Juno. Got any suggestions as to where we should set up our cesspool?
(Really, with 4 yr old kids and about a days time each, any recommendations? If so, PM me.)
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