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Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

elliotfc said:
We are, in our own way, at war with God. God chose, for whatever reasons, to make peace possible by offering his Son. We could have been saved in any number of ways. God chose this way. Having Love killed, and then triumph over death, might be a good way for us to appreciate not only the seriousness of sin and death, but the length to which Love would go to defeat sin and death. To fully submit to its power, but conquer it nonetheless.

-Elliot
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1. Assuming there is a god.
2. Assuming that god is the god of the bible.
3. Assuming that we believe in 'sin'.

If Love dying conquered sin, why does it still exist? If it still exists, why aren't more deaths needed?

And why the heck did an omnipotent being create a creature which would always be at war with it?
 
bluess said:
1. Assuming there is a god.
2. Assuming that god is the god of the bible.
3. Assuming that we believe in 'sin'.

If Love dying conquered sin, why does it still exist? If it still exists, why aren't more deaths needed?

And why the heck did an omnipotent being create a creature which would always be at war with it?
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Now, now, Mistress, you're trying to reconcile religion and logic again. You know you'll just give yourself a migraine.

<sigh> Wish Freakshow would get back with the fishbowl. Then we could relax you properly. . . ;)
 
elliotfc said:
It's on you if you confuse the LW&W and the NT, and how they have been appreciated throughout the totality of each of their histories.
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:confused: Guh? Is... that supposed to answer my point?


I *was* specific. Re-read my post.

Now, you'd like me to be more specific. I don't know if "Xtianity" has anything to say about scientific inquiry. It also has nothing to say about auto repair. Oh well.

That the theology itself progressed throughout the Bible, from OT to NT, is pretty well accepted across the board.
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You wrote "I think the idea that God is a God of progress in original to Judaism/Christianity."

Ah. So you didn't actually mean that the Judeo-Christian God values progress. You just meant that J-C theology changed over the years. Well, yeah, nobody's arguing that. But how is that unique to Judaism/Christianity? Doesn't every established religion change over time?

Equalizing concept? Colossians 3:11.

No doubt you'll use OT verses against me if I respond. I go through these motions with one of y'alls every other month or so. Pass.
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Hey, you brought it up. And as Ossai wrote, I don't need to use a single OT verse. About slaves, we've got Ephesians 6:5, Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9, and 1 Peter 2:8. You know, for a religion in which "there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free", this NT of yours does talk quite a bit about keeping slaves in their place. Just sayin'.

As for women and their place, we've got Ephesians 5:22-25, Colossians 3:18, 1 Peter 3:1, 1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Corinthians 14:34.

Gays? Well, without getting into Leviticus, there's always 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

In the Middle Ages the Catholic Church made legislation to restrict Jews to Ghettos, forbid them from exercising certain professions (like medicine), marrying Christians, and so on, centuries before Nazis got in on the act. All to "protect the faith." No doubt they had sound biblical reasons for this.
 
elliotfc said:
This logic implies that if something is not original, then it was stolen. This means you'll never believe me if I told you I went to Germany, because others have went to Germany before I did.
-Elliot
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As Arkan said you have moved the goalposts but to stick to your analogy; I am happy to concede that Christianity’s stories follow a well worn path, the point Palimpsest originally made. It is you that are claiming to be the only one to have gone to Germany and that Christianity has an original message.
 
In defense of Elliot, he's not ducking these issues as others have. And he's stuck to his guns, for the most part. He's civil, which is a huge step forward. If he's guilty of anything, it's simply being human. I'd buy him a beer anytime.
 
bluess said:
1. Assuming there is a god.
2. Assuming that god is the god of the bible.
3. Assuming that we believe in 'sin'.

If Love dying conquered sin, why does it still exist? If it still exists, why aren't more deaths needed?

And why the heck did an omnipotent being create a creature which would always be at war with it?
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Death is a natural part of life. The Bible tells us wages us sin is death so each of us that is a sinner is sure to pay the penalty in this life. The cool thing is if we receive Christ we won't stand judgement and die a second death which in scripture is defined as hell. Why go to hell if you can avoid it?

And then you bring up the first creature to sin, Lucifer. Well my hubby and I talk about it a lot and I have to agree with him when he says Satan is a catalyst for God to use to test each of us to see what's truely in our hearts.
Will we choose to love what God loves and hate what he hates?

Oh and getting back to another bumper sticker idea, how about...
"Love God / Hate Evil"
 
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RandFan said:
Facts not in evidence.
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There is plenty of evidence of God in this world. His word is life, and truth, and it's standed the test of time. You can try to invalidate it all you want, but that won't work.

Do you rember the scripture that tells us that? Jesus told us heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will never pass away.
 
See, Kathy, this is the problem. Elliot discusses. You PREACH! (And preach and preach and preach and preach...)

Ever thought that God was trying to speak to YOU, by putting you in with a bunch of skeptics who are demanding that you PROVE what you claim? Didn't think so.
 
kurious_kathy said:
There is plenty of evidence of God in this world. His word is life, and truth, and it's standed the test of time. You can try to invalidate it all you want, but that won't work

Do you rember the scripture that tells us that? Jesus told us heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will never pass away.
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Platitudes.
 
Now returning you to your original thread:

Saw this one on a truck from a mantel company here in town:

"If you drink and drive, YOU'RE AN IDIOT! Fair Dinkum, Mate."

(Okay, would one of our resident Aussies please explain "Fair Dinkum"? Where did THAT one come from?)
 
Roadtoad said:
See, Kathy, this is the problem. Elliot discusses. You PREACH! (And preach and preach and preach and preach...)

Ever thought that God was trying to speak to YOU, by putting you in with a bunch of skeptics who are demanding that you PROVE what you claim? Didn't think so.
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Oh OK RT. Here's an bumper sticker idea for you,"Only A Dummy Needs Proof" Ha Ha

Without faith it is impossible to please God!
 
Clever. Did you make that one up yourself?

The last time I checked, even God offered proof of whom He was, and what He expected of people. Even offered Israel a test they could use to prove His existence. A lot of "dummies" in between the cover of that book you claim you follow so closely.

Faith isn't blindly spewing whatever comes to your mind. Actual faith requires something resembling common sense. Evidence. You might want to consider that one.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Oh OK RT. Here's an bumper sticker idea for you,"Only A Dummy Needs Proof" Ha Ha
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Con Man: Would you like to buy some snake oil
Mark: Do you have any proof that it works?
Con Man: "Only A Dummy Needs Proof" Ha Ha
Mark: I'll take it


Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. --Paul to the Theselonians 5:21

Paul, you silly man, don't you know? "Only A Dummy Needs Proof" Ha Ha
 
RandFan said:
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. --Paul to the Theselonians 5:21

Paul, you silly man, don't you know? "Only A Dummy Needs Proof" Ha Ha
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Prove and proof aren't excactly the same thing, are they?

Ok what about this bumper sticker idea..."Who's Your God?"
 
kurious_kathy said:
Death is a natural part of life. The Bible tells us wages us sin is death so each of us that is a sinner is sure to pay the penalty in this life. The cool thing is if we receive Christ we won't stand judgement and die a second death which in scripture is defined as hell. Why go to hell if you can avoid it?

And then you bring up the first creature to sin, Lucifer. Well my hubby and I talk about it a lot and I have to agree with him when he says Satan is a catalyst for God to use to test each of us to see what's truely in our hearts.
Will we choose to love what God loves and hate what he hates?

Oh and getting back to another bumper sticker idea, how about...
"Love God / Hate Evil"
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If there truly is a god then your lucifer is just the alter ego of god. They are two sides of the same coin. Just think of Two-Face and there ya go.

In response to your bumper sticker idea... No... I'd rather have "Love Porn / Hate Censorship" :P
 
kurious_kathy said:
Prove and proof aren't exactly the same thing, are they?
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Different words same concept. I "prove" something by providing "proof".

Ok what about this bumper sticker idea..."Who's Your God?"
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I see no need for a God.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. --1st letter of Paul to the Corinthians 1:11
 
kurious_kathy said:
Prove and proof aren't excactly the same thing, are they?

Ok what about this bumper sticker idea..."Who's Your God?"
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You're right. It's a question of grammer and tense.

Who's my God? Obviously not yours.

My God wouldn't groove on the loss of an innocent child. Nor would He take pleasure in the suffering of another person.

My God wouldn't demand ignorance, and declare it faith. Nor would He be satisfied with ill considered or hackneyed platitudes when others suffer. He would not call pointless suffering Faith, nor would He allow his followers to sit idly by while other suffer. He would demand action.

Oddly enough, it's sort of what I read of God being in the Bible. Maybe you read a different one than I do, but that's what I see.

Funny. I see the same text in mine as I do in others, yet when I wanted to help people in pain and misery, I was told that I was interfering in God's Will. Fine. I suppose if wanting to ease the misery of others makes me a condemned man, I can at least go to Hell knowing I did so as a clear and conscious choice, rather than as some ignorant "savage" off in the hinterlands who never heard of God, and got along as best he could without Him.
 
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