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kurious_kathy said:
I always liked this scripture in Hebrews 13:2... Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it.
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Yeah, I once read a Greek myth with the same moral. Briefly, it goes like this:

Zeus and Hermes (I think) decided to visit the mortal world one day, to see how things were getting on. Disguising themselves as wandering beggars, they came to this little town and tried to beg for food, but every door was shut in their face. All except one: a poor elderly couple welcomed them into their modest home and generously shared what food they had. Zeus rewarded the couple by turning their house into a magnificent palace, and punished the miserly town by (I think) flooding it. The elderly couple lived for many more years in luxury and when they died (together), they turned into two entertwined trees, so they could still be together for eternity.

Seems to me the moral's the same. Be kind to strangers, cos they may be superpowerful divine beings who'll reward you. It speaks to selfishness, not altruism, just like those ads telling you to be nice to people who play the Lotto 6/49.

And the moral of this post is: there ain't nothing original in your scripture, and Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on stories telling you to be nice to other people.
 
Palimpsest said:
And the moral of this post is: there ain't nothing original in your scripture, and Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on stories telling you to be nice to other people.
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How many God-man figures were crucified, besides Jesus?

I think the idea that God is a God of progress in original to Judaism/Christianity. Also, Christianity is original in that it was an equalizing concept. God's Love is the source of God's power, that too.

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
How many God-man figures were crucified, besides Jesus?
-Elliot
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Ignoring the specifics and focusing on the general message. How may gods made the ultimate sacrifice to save mankind. ?


Shiva (Rudra) sacrificed himself by drinking poison to save the world.

Dinoysus was the son of Zeus and a mortal woman who died for mankind,

The idea of a dying God whose sacrifice results in eternal life for followers is also found in Roman mystery religions.

Other Gods who died to be reborn include Osiris, Adonis, Mithras, Inanna and Persephone.

but [life of Brian]Apart from them, What other gods was the Jesus story stolen from?[/life of brian]
 
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elliotfc said:
How many God-man figures were crucified, besides Jesus?
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How many Talking Lions were killed by a evil White Witch on an ancient rune-covered stone table, besides Aslan? Wow, I guess The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe is a wonderfully original story, and not at all a blatant Xian allegory full of simplistic moralism.

I think the idea that God is a God of progress in original to Judaism/Christianity. Also, Christianity is original in that it was an equalizing concept.
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Progress, huh? Equalizing, huh? Please be specific. What does Xianity have to say about scientific inquiry? Human rights? Religious tolerance?

Conversely, what does it have to say about following tradition? about respecting authority? about keeping slaves? About oppressing women, gays, people of other races?

God's Love is the source of God's power, that too.
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That's not what I heard.


Stan : "Why would God let Kenny die, Chef? Why? Kenny's my friend. Why can't God take someone else's friend?"

Chef : "Stan, sometimes God takes those closest to us, because it makes him feel better about himself. He is a very vengeful God, Stan. He's all pissed off about something we did thousands of years ago. He just can't get over it, so he doesn't care who he takes. Children, puppies, it don't matter to him, so long as it makes us sad. Do you understand?"

Stan : "But then, why does God give us anything to start with?"

Chef : "Well, look at it this way: if you want to make a baby cry, first you give it a lollipop. Then you take it away. If you never give it a lollipop to begin with, then you would have nothin' to cry about. That's like God, who gives us life and love and help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it's our tears, Stan, that give God his great power."
 
kurious_kathy said:
I don't know how fast an angel might be able to fly, but I do think they could easily pace themselves to stay close enough to protect us when needed.
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In which case the bumper sticker is equivalent to saying that you can drive as fast as you like.

But this is not true. Because people don't have guardian angels.

And you don't behave as though it's true. Because the more sensible part of your brain realizes that there are no magic invisible beings to protect you from the consequences of your own actions.
 
From farshores.org, 2 answers to the question of other god-man figures who were crucified, besides Christ: "Acharya states that Buddha also was born of a virgin, he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles, healed the sick, walked on water and fed 500 men from a small basket of cakes. The Buddha was transfigured on a mount, was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered three days in hell and was resurrected. After this he ascended to heaven, or Nirvana.
The Egyptian god figure Horus was said to have been born of the virgin Isis on December 25. He was born in a cave, his birth was announced by a star in the East, and he was attended by three wise men. He was a child teacher in the temple. He was baptized by Anup the Baptizer (John the Baptist?), he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles, walked on water, and raised a man named El-Azar-us from the dead. Horus also was transfigured on a mount, was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
In India, the god/man Krishna was born of a virgin, his father was a carpenter, his birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and they brought presents of gold, frankincense and myrrh. There was a ruler who attempted to destroy the infant by ordering the slaughter of thousands of babies. Krishna worked miracles and wonders, raised the dead, healed lepers, the deaf and the blind. He used parables to teach people about charity and love. He was transfigured in front of his disciples. Some stories say Krishna died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves."
 
This is a sad display.

Please. For heaven's sake. Recognize that there is but one: THE GREAT TACO IN THE SKY!!!

And ELVIS is his prophet.
 
EBU said:
From farshores.org, 2 answers to the question of other god-man figures who were crucified, besides Christ: "Acharya states that Buddha also was born of a virgin, he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles, healed the sick, walked on water and fed 500 men from a small basket of cakes. The Buddha was transfigured on a mount, was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered three days in hell and was resurrected. After this he ascended to heaven, or Nirvana.
The Egyptian god figure Horus was said to have been born of the virgin Isis on December 25. He was born in a cave, his birth was announced by a star in the East, and he was attended by three wise men. He was a child teacher in the temple. He was baptized by Anup the Baptizer (John the Baptist?), he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles, walked on water, and raised a man named El-Azar-us from the dead. Horus also was transfigured on a mount, was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
In India, the god/man Krishna was born of a virgin, his father was a carpenter, his birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and they brought presents of gold, frankincense and myrrh. There was a ruler who attempted to destroy the infant by ordering the slaughter of thousands of babies. Krishna worked miracles and wonders, raised the dead, healed lepers, the deaf and the blind. He used parables to teach people about charity and love. He was transfigured in front of his disciples. Some stories say Krishna died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves."
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Is www.farshores.org a spoof site? No way that much woo can be loaded into one site otherwise!:eek:
 
Lothian said:
Ignoring the specifics and focusing on the general message. How may gods made the ultimate sacrifice to save mankind. ?


Shiva (Rudra) sacrificed himself by drinking poison to save the world.

Dinoysus was the son of Zeus and a mortal woman who died for mankind,

The idea of a dying God whose sacrifice results in eternal life for followers is also found in Roman mystery religions.

Other Gods who died to be reborn include Osiris, Adonis, Mithras, Inanna and Persephone.

but [life of Brian]Apart from them, What other gods was the Jesus story stolen from?[/life of brian]
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This logic implies that if something is not original, then it was stolen. This means you'll never believe me if I told you I went to Germany, because others have went to Germany before I did.

-Elliot
 
Palimpsest said:
How many Talking Lions were killed by a evil White Witch on an ancient rune-covered stone table, besides Aslan? Wow, I guess The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe is a wonderfully original story, and not at all a blatant Xian allegory full of simplistic moralism.
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It's on you if you confuse the LW&W and the NT, and how they have been appreciated throughout the totality of each of their histories.

Progress, huh? Equalizing, huh? Please be specific. What does Xianity have to say about scientific inquiry? Human rights? Religious tolerance?
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I *was* specific. Re-read my post.

Now, you'd like me to be more specific. I don't know if "Xtianity" has anything to say about scientific inquiry. It also has nothing to say about auto repair. Oh well.

That the theology itself progressed throughout the Bible, from OT to NT, is pretty well accepted across the board.

Equalizing concept? Colossians 3:11.

Conversely, what does it have to say about following tradition? about respecting authority? about keeping slaves? About oppressing women, gays, people of other races?
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No doubt you'll use OT verses against me if I respond. I go through these motions with one of y'alls every other month or so. Pass.

Stan : "Why would God let Kenny die, Chef? Why? Kenny's my friend. Why can't God take someone else's friend?"

Chef : "Stan, sometimes God takes those closest to us, because it makes him feel better about himself. He is a very vengeful God, Stan. He's all pissed off about something we did thousands of years ago. He just can't get over it, so he doesn't care who he takes. Children, puppies, it don't matter to him, so long as it makes us sad. Do you understand?"

Stan : "But then, why does God give us anything to start with?"

Chef : "Well, look at it this way: if you want to make a baby cry, first you give it a lollipop. Then you take it away. If you never give it a lollipop to begin with, then you would have nothin' to cry about. That's like God, who gives us life and love and help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it's our tears, Stan, that give God his great power."[/I]
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You got me there. Nice one!

-Elliot
 
EBU said:
From farshores.org, 2 answers to the question of other god-man figures who were crucified, besides Christ: "Acharya states that Buddha also was born of a virgin, he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles, healed the sick, walked on water and fed 500 men from a small basket of cakes. The Buddha was transfigured on a mount, was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered three days in hell and was resurrected. After this he ascended to heaven, or Nirvana.
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Buddha's mother was not a virgin, she was married and barren for twenty years before his birth. He had 5 close disciples, the original sangha (sp?), and all you have to do is read a narrative of the Great Passing.

The Egyptian god figure Horus was said to have been born of the virgin Isis on December 25. He was born in a cave, his birth was announced by a star in the East, and he was attended by three wise men. He was a child teacher in the temple. He was baptized by Anup the Baptizer (John the Baptist?), he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles, walked on water, and raised a man named El-Azar-us from the dead. Horus also was transfigured on a mount, was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
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It's like the Protocols of the Elder of Zion. One website states it, it's copy and pasted for the rest of eternity.

http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

-Elliot
 
While you are right about Buddhist and Greek mythology, the people at tektonics are also a buch of dishonest looneys.
 
elliotfc said:
How many God-man figures were crucified, besides Jesus?

I think the idea that God is a God of progress in original to Judaism/Christianity. Also, Christianity is original in that it was an equalizing concept. God's Love is the source of God's power, that too.

-Elliot
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This is the one point I find silliest in the Christian mythos.

God killed himself because he created a people so bad that they could only be saved by having one person killed..?

Right.
 
bluess said:
This is the one point I find silliest in the Christian mythos.

God killed himself because he created a people so bad that they could only be saved by having one person killed..?

Right.
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We are, in our own way, at war with God. God chose, for whatever reasons, to make peace possible by offering his Son. We could have been saved in any number of ways. God chose this way. Having Love killed, and then triumph over death, might be a good way for us to appreciate not only the seriousness of sin and death, but the length to which Love would go to defeat sin and death. To fully submit to its power, but conquer it nonetheless.

-Elliot
 
elliotfc
That the theology itself progressed throughout the Bible, from OT to NT, is pretty well accepted across the board.
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That must explain why there are over 34,000 different Christian sects. They all agree on the same thing. :rolleyes:

Progress, huh? Equalizing, huh? Please be specific. What does Xianity have to say about scientific inquiry? Human rights? Religious tolerance?
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I *was* specific. Re-read my post.
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I did reread your post. There was nothing specific, just assertions.

Conversely, what does it have to say about following tradition? about respecting authority? about keeping slaves? About oppressing women, gays, people of other races?
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No doubt you'll use OT verses against me if I respond. I go through these motions with one of y'alls every other month or so. Pass.
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Sorry, but using only NT verses. Jesus supports slavery. Women are second class citizens. Gays are evil. If someone doesn’t believe the same as you, don’t worry, they’ll be tortured (technically this isn’t specifically other races, just everyone else).

We are, in our own way, at war with God. God chose, for whatever reasons, to make peace possible by offering his Son. We could have been saved in any number of ways. God chose this way. Having Love killed, and then triumph over death, might be a good way for us to appreciate not only the seriousness of sin and death, but the length to which Love would go to defeat sin and death. To fully submit to its power, but conquer it nonetheless.
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So when is all that supposed to happen?

Ossai
 
elliotfc said:
This logic implies that if something is not original, then it was stolen. This means you'll never believe me if I told you I went to Germany, because others have went to Germany before I did.

-Elliot
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Don't move the goalposts. You asked for
How many God-man figures were crucified, besides Jesus?
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Lothian expaned that to be sacrifice, instead of crucified, and answered you.
 
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