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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Aside from your WORD, can you demonstrate that ?

Christophera said:
I forgot one real important thing. THE REBAR. You can't drill through rebar with carbide inserts.

Once I remembered the rebar I remembered the documentary talking about the butt weld connecting the 3 inch high tensile steel rebar together and WHY only weldrs with a security clearance could be used. The special plastic coating on the rebar.

All of which is still speculation until you've proven both the existence of the concrete core AND the presence of explosives in said core.

Christophera said:
We have a duty to protect our Constitution

I don't. I'm Canadian.

(check the soldiers oath)

By your own admittance, you're not a soldier.

Christophera said:
You have no evidence of alternatives for the concrete or rates of fall near free fall.

You've again ignored this:

EXCEPT IT DIDN'T FALL AT FREE FALL SPEEDS, and there WAS NO TOTAL PULVERISATION
 
Christophera said:
Wow. that is a relevant correction. I hope the children that lost their parents in the towers appreciate your work.

Okay, I don't usually do this, but...

You are one, inconsiderate, idiotic jerk.

Christophera said:
Wrong. I know how the WTC was constructed and very few of the engineers do.

Considering how little you seem to know about anything, I'll side with the OTHER engineers who ALL disagree with you.

Their theories do not explain the rates of fall nor do they explain total pulverization.

Well, that's because...

IT DIDN'T FALL AT FREE FALL SPEEDS, and there WAS NO TOTAL PULVERISATION
 
Christophera said:
I am not lying, I believe what I am saying. I could be wrong but the fact that the official story does not account for the high rates of fall or the pulverization of everything, means that I might be right,

Well, that's a step forward.

because I do explosion those things.

You what ?

We know, that you know you are losing the argument when you start posting recipes.

No. Not any more than when you start seeing cats in a thread.

At least I know, so I'm not ignorant. Now I know you have no reason to care. It explains a lot, thanks.

And now you assume that non-Americans CANNOT care about that situation ?
 
Okay, I don't usually do this, but...

You are one, inconsiderate, idiotic jerk.



Considering how little you seem to know about anything, I'll side with the OTHER engineers who ALL disagree with you.



Well, that's because...

IT DIDN'T FALL AT FREE FALL SPEEDS, and there WAS NO TOTAL PULVERISATION

Thanks, I really needed to emphasize the importance of FREE FALL SPEEDS and TOTAL PULVERISATION..
 
Christophera, I want to be very sure I understand all the ramifications of your supposition, so please correct me if I am wrong in any of the particulars below.

1. The World Trade Centers were built with Concrete Cores, despite there being no record of that much concrete being ordered, no sign of the massive molds (wrong word but I've pulled a blank) that would have had to hold the settling concrete and no record of any of the hundreds of workers who would have been repsonsible for the building of the Core.

2. Inside the Concrete core was 3" rebar at 48" diameter, which is a unique and possibly one-of-a-kind rebar at distances that engineers (at least those on this site) believe are not practical.

3. On that unique rebar was a coat of C4-type explosive that was covered by the concrete during the pour, but retained it's explosive potential. This despite there being no record of the hypothetical Rebar being diverted to a location for application of the C4-type explosives.

4. At the same time the builders were welding 1300-ft steel columns on the outside of the Concrete core, while also planting explosive charges in such precise locations as to sever the steel whenever necessary.

5. Let sit for approximately 30 years.

6. Sometime prior to but near 9-11, the entire two buildings are primed and wired for detonation without the thousands of workers and scores of security being aware in the slightest of the massive work and wiring necessary.

7. Detonations are made that are powerful enough not only to sever steel but to pulverize the entire concrete core and lead to collapse of the building.

Is this accurate, Chris? I want to be sure I am following you here.




Uh huh, and I'm sure when this guy went back to his job driving a truck he was very proud of his comment. :rolleyes:

BTW, Apollyon; don't be hard on truckers; we have a pretty smart truck driver ourselves-name of Roadtoad, you might have read a post or two of his. So be nice to truck drivers...;) :D
 
Christophera said:
I am not lying, I believe what I am saying. I could be wrong but the fact that the official story does not account for the high rates of fall or the pulverization of everything, means that I might be right,

Well, that's a step forward.

No image of steel core columns from the DEMO at elevation over the ground or feasible, realistic explanation for near free fall and pulverization are forthcoming. Only denial. Completely unreasonable because there is no alternative that is comprehensive to the event.

Christophera said:
because I do explosion those things.

You what ?

At least you are reading now. It would be nice to have the context so I could correct it.

Christophera said:
We know, that you know you are losing the argument when you start posting recipes.

You what ?No. Not any more than when you start seeing cats in a thread.

Those supporting the official lie/viel hiding murderers produce the cats.

Christophera said:
At least I know, so I'm not ignorant. Now I know you have no reason to care. It explains a lot, thanks.

And now you assume that non-Americans CANNOT care about that situation ?

You distort. I said "reason". "all or nothing thinking", "overgeneralizations" = Cognitive distortions. It aids in your dissociation or repression of the distrubing information causing cognitive dissonance.


Further, I meant inherent reason. Any person anywhere "can" find a reason and then care.
 
Christophera, I want to be very sure I understand all the ramifications of your supposition, so please correct me if I am wrong in any of the particulars below.

1. The World Trade Centers were built with Concrete Cores, despite there being no record of that much concrete being ordered

Whoa. The records have been taken by the NY mayor and the courts will not force a return of them. All action very illegal in light of the seriousness of the multiple capitol crimes.

http://www.nyclu.org/g_archive020602.html
 
Christophera, I want to be very sure I understand all the ramifications of your supposition, so please correct me if I am wrong in any of the particulars below.

2. Inside the Concrete core was 3" rebar at 48" diameter, which is a unique and possibly one-of-a-kind rebar at distances that engineers (at least those on this site) believe are not practical.
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Hold up. LARGE error.

3" rebar at 4 FEET centers. Are you feigning confusion? We have obviously conflicting statements here?
 
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Hold up. LARGE error.

3" rebar at 4 FEET centers. Are you feigning confusion? We have obviously conflicting statements here?


Just a guess, I think you don't have a conflict:

4 feet x 12 inches per foot = 48 inches. But I might be mis-interpreting as well...


ETA: Dangit, one of my few chances to help and Arkan's ninja typing skills sneaks in ahead of me...
 
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Hold up. LARGE error.

3" rebar at 4 FEET centers. Are you feigning confusion? We have obviously conflicting statements here?

No feigning on my part. 4 feet = 48 inches. So does that mean the 3" rebar was center with a radius of 48 inches or was the 3" rebar centered in a 48" diameter space?

Just trying to make sure I truly understand your terms.
 
Christophera, I want to be very sure I understand all the ramifications of your supposition, so please correct me if I am wrong in any of the particulars below.

1. The World Trade Centers were built with Concrete Cores, despite there being no record of that much concrete being ordered, no sign of the massive molds (wrong word but I've pulled a blank) that would have had to hold the settling concrete and no record of any of the hundreds of workers who would have been repsonsible for the building of the Core.
The word you were looking for was "forms."

BTW, Apollyon; don't be hard on truckers; we have a pretty smart truck driver ourselves-name of Roadtoad, you might have read a post or two of his. So be nice to truck drivers...;) :D
No intent to offend. Truckers was the first thing that came to my mind since I have a couple of friends that drive trucks and they are both...how do I say it politely...not the sharpest tacks on the bulletin board of life. Still great guys though. No doubt there are plenty of very sharp truckers. Unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure of meeting any of them yet. :)
 
Christophera, I want to be very sure I understand all the ramifications of your supposition, so please correct me if I am wrong in any of the particulars below.

3. On that unique rebar was a coat of C4-type explosive that was covered by the concrete during the pour, but retained it's explosive potential. This despite there being no record of the hypothetical Rebar being diverted to a location for application of the C4-type explosives.

Check with the seal divers of the 1960's building sub bases, or contractors building missile silos. They have the records, good luck! Also the PA has records perhaps.

4. At the same time the builders were welding 1300-ft steel columns on the outside of the Concrete core,

The floors,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383

had C4 in the corrugations and specially designed tempered plates around the columns that cut them every other floor.

while also planting explosive charges in such precise locations as to sever the steel whenever necessary.

5. Let sit for approximately 30 years.


Recall that right after the WTC was leased workers in the towers had problems getting to lower floors. Maintenance (the were maintenance free by Otis) supposedly was scheduled. NOTE, Huntsman, I'm sure gas line flame detonation system used here. Safe to sit for months.

7. Detonations are made that are powerful enough not only to sever steel but to pulverize the entire concrete core and lead to

the pulverization and separation of the buildings components, not a "collapse of the building."

Is this accurate, Chris? I want to be sure I am following you here.

Now, except for 1 and 2 you've got the picture.

BTW, Apollyon; don't be hard on truckers; we have a pretty smart truck driver ourselves-name of Roadtoad, you might have read a post or two of his. So be nice to truck drivers...;) :D

Big respect for truckers here. Probably the most responsibility and skill ever required on a daily basis of any job that is common in America. Roads are about trucks and moving goods. Welcome.
 
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No feigning on my part. 4 feet = 48 inches. So does that mean the 3" rebar was center with a radius of 48 inches or was the 3" rebar centered in a 48" diameter space?

Just trying to make sure I truly understand your terms.

3 inch rebar on 4 foot centers (48 inch).
 
Go back to READING 101. Check "diameter", was the issue.

I'm sorry, where in this mess do you mention that the error is the diameter?
Hutch said:
Christophera, I want to be very sure I understand all the ramifications of your supposition, so please correct me if I am wrong in any of the particulars below.

2. Inside the Concrete core was 3" rebar at 48" diameter, which is a unique and possibly one-of-a-kind rebar at distances that engineers (at least those on this site) believe are not practical.
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Hold up. LARGE error.

3" rebar at 4 FEET centers. Are you feigning confusion? We have obviously conflicting statements here?

Oh, that's right, you don't, I had to guess at what the hell you were typing. Par for the course I guess.
 
Oh, .......... I understand. One of those that sees it as okay to violate laws to subvert the Constitution. I've heard about your kind.

Asking for you to provide evidence to back your claim is subversion?
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Seriously, how do you manage to function in everyday life?
 
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