Christophera
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At least I know, so I'm not ignorant. Now I know you have no reason to care. It explains a lot, thanks.
Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?
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At least I know, so I'm not ignorant. Now I know you have no reason to care. It explains a lot, thanks.
Christophera
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No steel tower has ever collapsed from fire and jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to do what happened, let alone TWICE to the ground.
You got a nice safe fantasy to live with until you become a prisoner of your own government.
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Well, read the article. First, it doesn't say this is allowed, it just states that evidence is not thrown out just for this reason (somethign I've always wished for...what the hell does a cop forgetting to announce have to do with you having 20 kgs of cocaine in your bathtub?).
Officers will still be punished for forgetting to knock, it's just that this doesn't nullify the evidence when they are operating on a justified warrant.
Even in the case in question, the police did announce, they just didn't knock as well.
I really don't see this as a violation. In fact, I've been arguing for years that evidence should not be thrown out on technicalities, period. The officers violating the procedures should be punished, but why the heck would a person holding a bloody knife go free, just because an officer forgot to read his rights?
Never made sense to me.
Hellbound
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How hot does jet fuel burn?
How hot did it have to be to do what happened?
How many other combustibles were in the WTC towers?
What temperature do you think they burn at?
Answer these, and you might have a point.
However, even normal house fires (paper, furniture, wood, cloth) get into the multiple hundreds of degrees, because the heat has no where to go until there's an opening to the outside. Heck, how do you think they shaped steel in the Middle Ages? They used wood fires, and turned the steel malleable. WOOD. Idiot.
And the steel part of a steel-and-concrete building has collapsed before due to fire. There's been links all over this and other threads showing this. The only reason it didn't collapse to the ground is because the lower parts were concrete. The steel part of the structure failed.
Again, you misrepresent.
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Thank you,
Sincerely provided correction. I clearly remember that the interior box columns were butt welded and that no x-rays would be provided. As a welder who could probably do an x-ray weld, I know that a couple of bubbles in a piece that size is not critical because the joint is so much better than one that is bolted.
Here is a welded column. interior box column. Butt weld up and to the right of the floor beam intersection, note ground surface in extrudede tube. This piece is from higher in the tower as it is extruded.
How do I know about your uncle Bob? Never mind, go to sleep now.
Don’t listen to them, Christopolis. We know that the JEWS cranked up the gravity at the critical moment and made sure the towers fell faster. (It’s well documented that the JEWS can control gravity. I mean, look at those “moon landing” (hah!) movies where the “astronauts” goof around like slow motion. Moishe or Benny only had to turn down the gravity under that movie set for a couple of minutes and Bob’s your uncle.)
And about those steel columns: THEY WERE ALREADY CUT WHEN THE WTC WAS BUILT! Don’t you see the fiendish ingenuity of it? Mere squibs of C4 or flash powder or something would be enough to collapse them, like pushing over a pile of alphabet blocks.
I’ll bet you had alphabet blocks to play with when you were a kid. I’ll bet you still have a set of them. I like to stack mine up real, real high and then YANK OUT THE BOTTOM ONE! Kee-rash! I do that when I play Nine Eleven up in my room.
Don’t listen to them, Christopolis. We know that the JEWS cranked up the gravity at the critical moment and made sure the towers fell faster. (It’s well documented that the JEWS can control gravity. I mean, look at those “moon landing” (hah!) movies where the “astronauts” goof around like slow motion. Moishe or Benny only had to turn down the gravity under that movie set for a couple of minutes and Bob’s your uncle.)
And about those steel columns: THEY WERE ALREADY CUT WHEN THE WTC WAS BUILT! Don’t you see the fiendish ingenuity of it? Mere squibs of C4 or flash powder or something would be enough to collapse them, like pushing over a pile of alphabet blocks.
I’ll bet you had alphabet blocks to play with when you were a kid. I’ll bet you still have a set of them. I like to stack mine up real, real high and then YANK OUT THE BOTTOM ONE! Kee-rash! I do that when I play Nine Eleven up in my room.
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No, the SC found that the employer can take action against an employee that reports wrong information (whistleblowing) to their superiors. It does not affect employees acting as citizens whistleblowing to the media, or other sources. Read the SCOTUS brief you smacktard.
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You should provide a link to that steel building collapse. Maybe I was wrong in that it was a "tower" not just a building.
Good questions, answer them yourself if you care about the US Constitution.
I've built forges and used them. You can barely get steel orange with it using wood fuel. I had to use coal and coke to get it cherry and really workable. As you can see, even a charcoal fire with forced air, none of which was possible on 9-11, is absolutely needed to get steel red hot. Not that it has to bee that hot to cause a failure but those failure temperatures are not going to be spread over enough area to cause anythign like what happened.
http://www.survival.com/forge.htm
Step two: Construct a charcoal kiln.
Charcoal is virtually essential to a wood-fired primitive forge. While forging temperatures can be reached with hard wood fires and a good bellows, we had only Ponderosa and Lodgepole pine, woods that are too soft to get the really hot fire we needed.
Step three: Construct a bellows and Forge.
Airflow is crucial to a forge. Air, fuel and fire create heat and we needed lots of air to make our camp-made charcoal into a viable heat generator. The closer we got to fission the happier we would be. One of our members, Ray, came up with the ideal solution. Using a heavy-duty trash bag and a flexible fiberglass rib found at a hunter’s camp, he made a huge bellows. Attached to the bottom of the bag and held in place with junk wire was a hollow Elk leg bone.
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What is considered corruption and fraud can be twisted into "duty" and you will have no way to test it. You crurrently operate under that paradigm, but it is psychological not legal. I've shown your rights and freedoms are being compromised and I haven't even mentioned the patriot act.
Hellbound
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Christophera:
You're wrong.
Look up flashpoint.
Look up flashover.
I already know the answers to the questions I asked, but you, apparently, do not. Which is why I asked them. Again, you have shown that your research consists of no more than "What I think is..." without any verification of facts, without any examination of the physics involved, without any evidence or reasoning.
You are relying on "common sense", fed mostly by television and movies, and ignoring the actual, intensive research by hundreds of experts who have been involved in investigating this.
So, AGAIN, do you have any evidence?
You're wrong.
Look up flashpoint.
Look up flashover.
I already know the answers to the questions I asked, but you, apparently, do not. Which is why I asked them. Again, you have shown that your research consists of no more than "What I think is..." without any verification of facts, without any examination of the physics involved, without any evidence or reasoning.
You are relying on "common sense", fed mostly by television and movies, and ignoring the actual, intensive research by hundreds of experts who have been involved in investigating this.
So, AGAIN, do you have any evidence?
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Hellbound
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Sorry, but no. What is considered corruption and fraud is pretty clearly spelled out in numerous regulations, laws, and other sources. I can test it by simply consulting the appropriate regulation.
You, however, simply pull things out of your ***** and don't bother to test them, because it "seems" right to you.
Christophera
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Perhaps you've never heard of how frogs are successfully boiled alive.
Hellbound
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Perhaps, if you'd ever known what actual research was, you'd have heard that this isn't true, and is, in fact, a myth?
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Good facts, (except you forgot to quote whehter or not it is F or C.)
Your argument suffers in that those conditions were very inconsistent even in the areas where maximum fuel burned. Also, WTC 2 had most of its fuel burn outside the tower.
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Wrong.
Most of the jet fuel buringin on the outside, I can believe.
Inside, there was abundant fuel that burned for some time. Carpet, ceiling panels, office furniture, computers, televisions, VCRs, copiers, network cabling, plastic plants, etc, etc, etc.
No Steel tower has collapsed from fire because until 9/11, all High-rise fires started with a small, localized fire. The small section on fire does weaken the supports, but since the surrounding supports are still cool they still have their Strength and maintain the building. As the fire expands, other sections of the support weaken, but due to fireproofing standards it's a slow process, and the area where the fire started exhausts the available Fuel and begins cooling again by that time.*
Compare that to WTC, where the fire ignited the floor, for all intents and purposes, all at once. The cooling needed to regain it's strength did not happen in time, Much of the fireproofing was destroyed by the impact itself, and some of the structure suffered physical damage from the plane was well. all this together causes the tower to collapse.
(*unfortunatly, can't reference anything here as it was explained to my by someone who designs fire safety systems)
Edit to add the above footenote, since I forgot to the first time..
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