To the Christians here...

tkingdoll said:
Yes, that is certainly hateful, but is about Muslims and not Christians and so not the subject of the claim in this thread. Like I say, I don't deny that it may be true, but I think the perception may outweigh the actual facts.
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Huh? I said hateful believer-bashing.
 
ReFLeX said:
Huh? I said hateful believer-bashing.
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Sorry, I was confusing Ned Flandas Christian-specific claims of bashing with yours. My original requests for proof were to him (twice, I think), so I assumed that your reply was for the same claim. My bad.

Yes, in that case, the quote about Muslims is certainly a good example of being hateful. I would like more than one example (and from more than one poster if possible) though, one comment is not representative of this forum as a whole.
 
tkingdoll said:
Sorry, I was confusing Ned Flandas Christian-specific claims of bashing with yours. My original requests for proof were to him (twice, I think), so I assumed that your reply was for the same claim. My bad.

Yes, in that case, the quote about Muslims is certainly a good example of being hateful. I would like more than one example (and from more than one poster if possible) though, one comment is not representative of this forum as a whole.
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Like I said, that whole thread:
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Is it the rioters who are being killed? If that is the case, then these riots are a good thing. Given enough time, the problem will take care of itself.
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zenith-nadir said:
I agree. "Culling the herd" is another term for it.
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I'm a touchy-feely apologist:
ReFLeX said:
Wow, I was just talking about this. Vermin? They're human beings. They're YOU, if you grew up in a different household. It's not nice to think about, but at the very least, choose your labels carefully.
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bigred said:
Technically, perhaps.

But murdering innocents over a freakin cartoon no less disqualifies one from the human race IMO. Pls dispose of appropriately and have a nice day.

Touchy-feely apologists can feel free to join in any time as they are clearly part of the problem (see: Europe).
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I haven't been in the forum a lot lately so it is hard for me to track down comments without having to go through all kinds of possible context, that's why threads up to now have been one's I've participated in...

ETA: I am certainly not trying to say those who are hateful are representative of the forum. Sorry if you think that's what I mean. But like tricky, I cannot deny there are those among our ranks who will openly attack Christians for the fact of their belief.
 
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Here is a good example of an argumentative insult which is more in line with what I meant by believer-bashing:

Freethinker said:
IMO religion is the biggest threat there is to humanity. It continually impedes the progress of science and peaceful coexistence among people. It is used as a basis to persecute groups of people. It draws in the money and time of the gullible, diverting vast resources from other things. It is far worse than drug addiction. I'm not here to be religious; I'm here to discuss the problem of religion.

To deflect the argument that churches do good things, I will acknowledge such, but I do good things as well. I'm not affiliated with other atheists or agnostics, but I contribute mightily to my community. I don't do this to curry favor with the Great Sky Fairy, but rather to help those who can't help themselves, and to make it a better place for my children to live.
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He actually feels the need to deflect the point that churches do good things so he can maintain that they are bad, religion is bad bad. His signature contains two quoted overgeneralizations as well. Were I a Christian, I would not respond well to that. It would be like introducing yourself to others as "Someone Better Than You".
 
ReFLeX said:
Here is a good example of an argumentative insult which is more in line with what I meant by believer-bashing:
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If you find facts to be insulting, then I agree, this forum is NOT the place for you. Maybe the reason religious people are so "insulted" here is just that -- we deal in facts, logic, and reason, and all of these are veritable poison to the religious.
 
tkingdoll, you want your religion bashing, keep watching this guy. He seems to have it down pat.
rocketdodger said:
If you find facts to be insulting, then I agree, this forum is NOT the place for you. Maybe the reason religious people are so "insulted" here is just that -- we deal in facts, logic, and reason, and all of these are veritable poison to the religious.
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There are, I am sure, countless examples of religion bashing and nonreligious bashing in this and many other forums like it. The more we get hung up on the idiots who act this way, the more vindicated they feel in doing it.

If everyone were to learn to respond with a level head and just ignore most insults and only chastise lightly for the unneeded insult when you can't ignore it, then those who constantly insult, would eventually quit it or go away since they would no longer feel like they have an audience.

In this thread we have examples of the religion haters, the more peaceful agnostics and atheists, the religious fight starter, and the rational Christian.

There is no need for overgeneralization because you have examples of all types here. If you cannot see that then you have my pity.
 
infornography said:
tkingdoll, you want your religion bashing, keep watching this guy. He seems to have it down pat.
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If you need to write off my comments as "bashing" in order to keep your faith, go for it. Ignorance is really the only way to "keep one's faith" as far as religion goes, you know.

infornography said:
There are, I am sure, countless examples of religion bashing and nonreligious bashing in this and many other forums like it. The more we get hung up on the idiots who act this way, the more vindicated they feel in doing it.
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Unless they are not doing it to feel vindicated in the first place. Perhaps they really hold the strong viewpoints that they do, and for good reason?

infornography said:
If everyone were to learn to respond with a level head and just ignore most insults and only chastise lightly for the unneeded insult when you can't ignore it, then those who constantly insult, would eventually quit it or go away since they would no longer feel like they have an audience.
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Wrong. The most popular threads on this forum are by far the ones with lots of heat.
 
brodski said:
There are very few people who are sceptical about everything; in fact I would contend that no one is equally sceptical about every subject. ("Darling, I love you" "Evidence?" :p )
Many of the Christians who are here accept scepticism for those areas which make testable claims, but have faith in God because they know they are not making a testable claim.
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Which is why I like the saying "On the used car lot, everybody is a skeptic."
 
tkingdoll said:
Originally Posted by ned flandas :
I'm not offended by any kind of bashing, its just that there seems to be a lot of mindless insults which is a bit of a waste of time....
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Please provide links to these 'mindless insults' so I can see what you're talking about.
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May I provide this one as an example?

There are lots more where that came from..................
 
Tricky said:
....If you cannot conceive of any way you might be wrong about God, then you are as much as saying "I cannot be wrong", because if you admit you could be wrong, then you must be able to envision some scenario where you could change your mind.....
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You fail to understand the difference between knowledge and faith.

As a Christian, I'm very likely wrong regarding my understanding of God, and may even be wrong about the existance of God, but my faith will not be shaken.
 
arthwollipot said:
....Second, all religions are equally convinced that they have the "right" answer, and that all the other religions are "wrong".....
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Funny, that also describes many of the skeptics on this board.

In fact, that tends to describe political partisans.

Hey, that also describes idealists!

Hmmmmmmmmmmm..........................
 
if there is a god then i for one do not think it willturn away ayone as its so called projection into our wworld jesus is meant o have cleared all sin, so we all go to heavan or am i missing something here.......
 
ReFLeX said:
The more mature among us realize Christians are every bit as smart as any other group, you just happen to have different thinking habits.
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I don't agree.

We just have different acceptance standards for certain phenomenon.
 
i have often wandered why US chiristian fundamentalists largely ignore the chrisitian bit of the bible and zero in on the Old testament the non christian bit.
 
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