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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Here's a better picture of the columns, one that Christophera refuses to properly recognize:

http://tinyurl.com/n849l

There are plenty of core columns visible. This is a different angle and much better resolution of a single blurry picture in which Christophera claims shows a portion of his concrete core. In the picture it doesn't appear to be a concrete core at all. It looks more like a small floor section with some of the concrete still in place that has collapsed to an almost vertical position.

You also get a better view of what he claims to be rebar. It's more evident in this picture that it conduit and/or water pipes.

TheFeds. Nice post.
 
Cognitive Distortion-"All Or Nothing Thinking" & 'Entitlement"

You can't explain why your beloved concrete core is not visible in all the pictures shown so now you try to make the rules of evidence conform to your own delusion.

What a lame joke you are.

You think that all pictures should show what you want them to show and so feel entitled to get information that way.

Sorry you live in a dumbed down world. Look for qualified evidence. Construction photos are good for somethings but not for determinations of core coluns because the available variety of photos on the web has been seriously sifted before 9-11. More afterwards.
 
You misrepresent my statements or simplify and blur them. I insist that 47 steel columns, 1,300 foot in length the outside of the concrete core wall. I insist that no steel columns were inside the core.

Produce the image of the 1,300 foot columns in the wreakage or explain why they are not seen buckled and lying around ground zero as you say.


Ah so you agree. The core consisted of concrete with 47 columns of steel on the outside? So in your photo of the concrete core standing, are we expected to believe the 47 steel columns around the outside of it magically peeled away? But the concrete is still there?

Okay, interesting. Please produce an image of ground zero showing the 1,300 foot columns that flanked the outside of the solid concrete core. The ones that somehow fell before the concrete core itself did. While you're at it, please provide photographic evidence of these 47 steel columns outside the core as the building collapses. Presumably, since there is clear evidence of the concrete core during collapse, it should be no trouble finding evidence of these columns that were OUTSIDE it.

-Andrew
 
So you've found me arguing for the truth elsewhere. Good. I've claimed it was the 2 hour documentary that aired on PBS in 1190 on this forum too, in this very thread. it was called "The Constrcution Of The Twin Towers." You will have to read to find it though, and well the diaper on this forum is full and all I can do is apply more disinfectant (truth) so it is swollen and messy. Sorry about that, but the major flow comes form the other posters here.


Now I'm confused. In this thread you have called it a "BBC Documentary". In another forum you called it a documentary "Produced by PBS". Produced does not mean "aired". Produced means "made". Produced means "owned".

So which is it? PBS? Or BBC?

And it it's a BBC documentary, can you explain why it is that the BBC had knowledge in 1990 of WTC structure that no one else in the world has. But that in 2001 they published an image of the tower (as you have on your website) that shows a *third* structure, that neither reflects the structure they described in their 1990 documentary, nor the structure the rest of the entire world believes was there.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

-Andrew
 
Christophera, even IF there had been a "concrete core", you're a million light-years away from proving that there were demolition charges embeded in it, as I believe you are suggesting

The effect seen here cannot be created any other way.

Ask Huntsman what kind of placement and distribution you MUST have to get that kind of breakage.
 
Now I'm confused. In this thread you have called it a "BBC Documentary". In another forum you called it a documentary "Produced by PBS". Produced does not mean "aired". Produced means "made". Produced means "owned".

So which is it? PBS? Or BBC?

And it it's a BBC documentary, can you explain why it is that the BBC had knowledge in 1990 of WTC structure that no one else in the world has. But that in 2001 they published an image of the tower (as you have on your website) that shows a *third* structure, that neither reflects the structure they described in their 1990 documentary, nor the structure the rest of the entire world believes was there.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

-Andrew

PBS is the producer of the documentary and BBC is who is in error about the core design. They think it's concrete but a prestressed column with no room for stairs and elevators.
 
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Images, in and of themselves, are not evidence. Say it with me.

Images.
In.
And.
Of.
Themselves.
Are.
Not.
Evidence.

What have we presented that has been a misrepresentation? Provide evidence, not opinion.

Exactly, that is why I use reason with images to make them evidence. Try it sometime.
 
Common Sense Of Blasting And DEMO

Based on what theory?

Not a theory. A fact. Explosives must be optimally positioned (centralized) and well distributed in a uniform medium to get equilibrium from an explosion and superfine breakage.

Ask Huntsman.
 
As a side note, a search in the IMDB for both "WTC" and "World Trade Centre" didn't find a single entry, either fiction or non-fiction, regarding the WTC at or earlier than 1990.

The earliest entry is "Path To Paradise: The Untold Story Of The World Trade Centre Bombing" (1997, NYC Productions)

It appears to be a fictional made-for-television feature film about the true events surrounding the 1993 WTC Bombing.

-Andrew
 
Not a theory. A fact. Explosives must be optimally positioned (centralized) and well distributed in a uniform medium to get equilibrium from an explosion and superfine breakage.
Non sequitur. Perhaps that is true for "an explosion". What of a collapsing building?
 
Explosive shear on the left, torch cut on the right sheared columns.

Your left pic is not explosive shear (or not just explosive shear). Have any proof that it is?

Examples of a cutting charge:
Shaped charges placed on steel plate--Very rough edges, as is expected. Also, blast marks clearly visible.

Industrial explosive cutting set up, using shaped explosives and a "cuting frame"--again, notice roughness of edges and blast pattern.

You'll see this in explosive cuts, not the nice smooth edges you showed. If that was cut with explosives, it was ground and finished afterwards.

Again, you are blatantly misrepresenting these images to further your agenda...you aren't interested in truth.

wtf, I wish people read before they post. My site deals with most of what you say, which is correct, except fo the denial. There were extreme shape charges built into the floors around the columns. After a few years of looking at thsoe square cut ends. Too clean, as you say, for any previously known salvage operation, I realized that the documentary in 1990 had a few relative words.

Do you have any evidence, or is this more speculation?

Explosive built into the building would have become highly unreliable by 2001 (modern C-4 has a shelf life of 10 years under good conditions). Not to mention that trying to get charges, on a sequenced timer, and set it so you cut the steel and demolish the concrete core, along with everything else, is just plain idiotic. There's no way to hide the wires or tubes you'd have to have installed for the system, or the switches, junctions, and other equipment. It'd run throughout the building. The first time electricians go to rewire an office (or the first time network cabling was run through the building), they'd find these wires.

Here is an approximate diagram of the cutting charges built into every other floor. Based on the last 10 minutes of the 1990 documentary and their details on the floor finishing details on behalf of the public OVER expenditure on the tower construction. PBS producers trying to show that the coasts were justified. The videographers found that tempered steel plates had a 0.035 inch clearance to the interior box columns that surrounded the concrete core. The PA was upset and said the documents they had sourced from a sub contractor 20 years after the construction was still considered confidential.

I don't need your diagram, I want to know what you based it on. So far, it's just your opinion. Which, with 50 cents added, will buy me a cup of coffee.

Provide a source for that? "A PBS documentary" is not a source. Dates, show name, air times, anything?

Steven Jones refers to them as cutting charges and they will perform leaving an edge as smooth as that which guides the plane of high presure gasses.

Stephen Jones also thinks thermite is a high explosive and contains sulfur. He's a physicist, not an explosives expert.

These columns sheared level were not done so by men cutting off the tops of piles of tangles steel. The green arrows are a level, square cut row of interior box column tops. The yellow are the salvage cuts you describe. Not core columns. Elevator landing supports or other mechanical equipment, yes.

I'll speak slowly, with small words...

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONES WERE EXPLOSIVE SHEAR AND WHICH WERE NOT?

None of them appear to be explosive shear, sorry. There's no blast patterns, and the edges are too smooth.

Whatta' mean? I'm kicking your ass in this intellectual battle and you DO know what you are talking about with high explosives, but you don't know the WTC and cannot explain any of what happened without the exact same logic I use. Tell rummy to send some one not afraid of the truth.

Um, which intellectual battle are you watching?

You've provided baseless speculation and false photographs.

You provided no evidence that any of the photographs you presented are examples of explosive shear (beyond your opinion).

You provided no evidence of high explosives used at WTC (residue, detonators, etc), again except for your opinion.

You provided no evidence of explosively cut columns, except your opinion.

You provided no evidence of a concrete core, except your interpretation of a very unclear photo that is directly contradicted by other video and photographic evidence (i.e.-tapes of the collapse that do NOT show your "concrete core" standing).

And I can explain what happened without your logic. Your logic is nothing of the sort, it's your opinion and a lot of speculation and conjecture.

I notice you did not use any evidence, your post used reasonable knowledge, but was inadequate to provide criticism. READ.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

No. Your site is, I'm afraid, not an unbiased source. I;ve asked specific questions, you should be able to point me to reliable sources to support your assertions.

Of course, you're more interested in the attention you recieve by spreading your slander, and get to feel good because you can pretend to be doing more than others who actually do have the intestinal fortitude to get up off the couch and do something about what they believe in.

So, do you have any evidence? Or just more conjecture?
 
As a side note, a search in the IMDB for both "WTC" and "World Trade Centre" didn't find a single entry, either fiction or non-fiction, regarding the WTC at or earlier than 1990.

The earliest entry is "Path To Paradise: The Untold Story Of The World Trade Centre Bombing" (1997, NYC Productions)

It appears to be a fictional made-for-television feature film about the true events surrounding the 1993 WTC Bombing.

-Andrew

Andrew,

I confess. I have never even tried to find that video, except for asking people on the web.

In round 1999 I tried to communicate with PBS for other reasons and found it to be a completely closed organization that was not responsive in any way.

On 9-11 I watched WTC 1 fall and thought of the documentary and realized that it was most certainly gone. A year later I remembered about the "special anti vibration, corrosion resistant coating" on the rebar I'd learned of in the video and knew it was gone.
 
I've Explained Probably 5 Times - READ!

iow, you can't explain why there is no concrete core whatsoever to be seen in the construction photos.

The core is unseen in the construction photos because it is inside the steel framework up to 7 floors below the top floor.
 
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SAND & GRAVEL except for one piece

Christophera said:
The effect seen here cannot be created any other way.

Ask Huntsman what kind of placement and distribution you MUST have to get that kind of breakage.

Christophera said:
Not a theory. A fact. Explosives must be optimally positioned (centralized) and well distributed in a uniform medium to get equilibrium from an explosion and superfine breakage.

Ask Huntsman.

He's right, if you assume gravity doesn't exist and everything will be the result of explosive charges.

If you actually have two brain cells you can rub together to spark an idea, you'll realize that the force of the collapse of the upper floors was the equivalent of severl thousands of pounds of explosives, and the pancaking of the floors as the top collapsed onto them more than accounts for the destruction observed in teh collapse.
 
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