Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Pardalis]

Okay, .......... so you admit you cannot use evidence.

?

My viewing of the documentary is actually as good as it gets short of someone who actually worked on the core.

Not good enough. Are you an engeneer? If not, your "viewing" of the documentary is irrelevant.

Most of them are dead and gone.

It's only been 35 years.

I've spoken to an ex steel worker who worked on WTC 1 & 2, a Mohawk and he couldn't remember the core.

That doesn't help your case, now does it?

Try and produce one image of the supposed steel core columns from the demoliton photos.

I cannot. can you provide ANY evidence, not only pictures, of a concrete core?

 

[twinstead]

That is a very typical post 9-11 article which does not elaborate on the core enough to consider it actually mentioned.

LOL why do I suspect that had the article suggested, but not actually mentioned, that there was a concrete core instead of steel you would have no problem using it to prove your point?

 

[Pardalis]

You cannot use proof. If you could you would use this. Oxford encyclopedia of Technology and Inovation, published in 1992

I'm not an engeneer. What does a "concrete hull-and core structure" mean, exactly?

 

[Christophera]

You are incorrect.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehost/87904495b879ebd4b.jpg[/qimg]​

Those are interior box columns. Notice no heavy columns in the center of the core area interior box columns. The rectangle formed by the floor beams and the INTERIOR BOX COLUMNS tells us the image from the demo shows the same columns as the image you post.

Misrepresentation or, ............ ignorance.

 

[Christophera]

I'm not an engeneer. What does a "concrete hull-and core structure" mean, exactly?

Concrete tube.

 

[Pardalis]

What is your definition of evidence, btw?

 

[kevin]

what is the size of this concrete core you're proposing? According to the floor plans each floor is 208'x208'. There is a core that is 88'x135', but most of that is empty space for elevator shafts, stairwells, plumbing and electrical chases. What is the size of this concrete column and where on the floor plans was it located?

 

[Pardalis]

Concrete tube.

That doesn't help. I was kind of hoping to have a definition from an engeneering source.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

This whole conversation amazes me. People keep showing Christophera the pictures he demands, and then he sees exactly what he wants to see. Meanwhile, he shows poor evidence and reads too much into it. It reminds me about the lesson I teach my students when I talk about how resistant people are to change. The conversation is something like this:

Galileo: The earth goes around the sun.
Church: No, it doesn't.
Galileo: Sure it does. The math proves it.
Church: We have our own math.
Galileo: You forgot to carry the two.
Chruch: Doesn't matter. The sun still goes around the earth.
Galileo: Well, have a look through the telescope.
Church: We don't see a telescope.
Galileo: It's right here. Look.
Church: We don't want to look through it.
Galileo: You wanted proof, here's proof. Look.
Church: We have drawings. They show the sun going around the earth.
Galileo: Listen, this is better than a drawing. Take a look.
Church (looks): We don't see anything.
Galileo: What do you mean? It's right there, moons of Saturn! In front of your eyes!
Church: We don't see anything. Nothing you show us can make us admit we see anything. And the sun goes around the earth.

 

[Christophera]

LOL why do I suspect that had the article suggested, but not actually mentioned, that there was a concrete core instead of steel you would have no problem using it to prove your point?

I would have no problem because images of the demolition show that NO STEEL CORE COLUMNS EXIST. All that is visible in demolition images must be concrete.

See,

http://concretecore.741.com

 

[Christophera]

WRONG: I Demand Images Of Steel Core Columns From The Demo.

This whole conversation amazes me. People keep showing Christophera the pictures he demands

The demoliton shows us the core many different times. Show me an image from the demolition that shows ONE of the supposed 47, 1300 foot steel coliumns!!!!!!


I can produce many that show the core area and NO STEEL COLUMNS EXIST IN THE CORE.

 

[Gravy]

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Those are interior box columns. Notice no heavy columns in the center of the core area interior box columns. The rectangle formed by the floor beams and the INTERIOR BOX COLUMNS tells us the image from the demo shows the same columns as the image you post.

Misrepresentation or, ............ ignorance.

You are incorrect.

What's the recipe for invisible concrete, Christophera?

 

[Apollyon]

Those are interior box columns. Notice no heavy columns in the center of the core area interior box columns. The rectangle formed by the floor beams and the INTERIOR BOX COLUMNS tells us the image from the demo shows the same columns as the image you post.

Misrepresentation or, ............ ignorance.

Both, on your part.

The structure was a "hollow core" to accommodate the elevators, electrical services, and plumbing. There was not intended to be any "heavy" columns at the center. That's a red herring. What you are erroneously referring to as interior box columns ARE the core columns. Please stop trying to create your own nomenclature.

 

[Christophera]

what is the size of this concrete core you're proposing? According to the floor plans each floor is 208'x208'. There is a core that is 88'x135', but most of that is empty space for elevator shafts, stairwells, plumbing and electrical chases. What is the size of this concrete column and where on the floor plans was it located?

How about you produce an image of the steel core columns from the demolition to show they exist? I can show the rectangular, tubular, steel reinforced concrete core and that no steel columns ever appear in the core area. The inside dimensions of the core were 80 x 120 feet.

 

[Pardalis]

The demoliton shows us the core many different times. Show me an image from the demolition that shows ONE of the supposed 47, 1300 foot steel coliumns!!!!!!


I can produce many that show the core area and NO STEEL COLUMNS EXIST IN THE CORE.

Again, do YOU have any evidence from reputable engeneering sources, that there was a concrete core? Before the collapse, while it was under construction.

 

[Belz...]

Ah! you believe that misinterpreted images of construction can triumph over the reasonably intrepreted images of the demolition. How disingenuine, you know very well there are many images of the concrete core

That's actually just ONE, chris.

 

[Pardalis]

That's actually just ONE, chris.

... and it's inconclusive.

 

[twinstead]

I would have no problem because images of the demolition show that NO STEELCORE COLUMNS EXIST. All that is visible in demolition images must be concrete.

Well, yea, but while you seem to be very convinced, your evidence is being seriously disputed here. In typical arrogant conspiracy theorist fashion, you are hand waving their contrary evidence away and implying they don’t know what they are talking about and are ignorant.

To me, it seems like a huge concrete core being poured during construction would be documented very well, as would the people who were involved in it number in the hundreds.

If we could arrange it, how many people coming forward who were involved in the construction, either planning or actual workers, saying they saw no concrete core would it take for you to start questioning yourself? One? Ten? A hundred?

 

[Christophera]

Both, on your part.

The structure was a "hollow core" to accommodate the elevators, electrical services, and plumbing. There was not intended to be any "heavy" columns at the center. That's a red herring. What you are erroneously referring to as interior box columns ARE the core columns. Please stop trying to create your own nomenclature.

FEMA proves you wrong with their crappy little diagram used in the WTC report.

 

[Belz...]

Try link, core. Or, ... the concrete shear wall.

That's been shown to you to be part of the outer wall. In fact, you can see it in other pictures, some of which YOU'VE posted.

The images you've uploaded show nothing, mostly not even the twin towers. Your notion this core is dust, is absurd and already disproven when I posted this of the core lower. Then there is the
core wall at base and the 3" REBAR ON 4' CENTERS, but never any steel core columns.

I'm amazed that you can distinguish steel and concrete from that far away. Maybe you should apply for the million.

Your construction photos show interior box columns not core columns. Interior box columns ring the concrete core walls. This is very clear when you see the core wall at the base and there are no columns to the right of the stairwell (right side) and none penetrate it, and what is the massive grey block right of the interior box column? That is the concrete core.

I don't see any concrete there. In fact, all the pictures you've shown to support your position are inconclusive at best. Why don't you show us a single, clear image of that core ?

You have therefore proved that you support the lie that murderers hide behind and nothing else.

Haven't you learned yet that appealing to patriotic emotions doesn't advance your argument in a logical DEBATE ?