More MMR and Daily Mail

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Hot on the heels of last weeks revelations that we are heading for a record number of measles cases this year, the Mail on Sunday/Daily Mail has got its knickers in a twist again about the vaccine.

First a column in the Mail on Sunday yesterday by Peter Hitchens, and also a story about 2 deaths that followed shortly after MMR. Today's Mail reports the UK Govt has apparently agreed to investigate these cases.

One of the children had been due to get his MMR in September, but it was delayed because he had a high fever and subsequently had a major convulsion. Presumably this child was prone to febrile convulsions, a relatively frequent occurence in kids. I guess the MMR could have precipitated another fever, and then a convulsion which may have been fatal. However, this reaction may have followed any infection or vaccination - I guess its just misfortune it followed MMR.
 
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This is yet again being stirred up by Private Eye. Not available online so you need to find issue 1160. There's a garbled account of some US study which showed vaccine strain virus in the guts of some autistic children. This apparently shows cause and effect:rolleyes:
 
couldn't the Daily Wail be held accountable for any measle deaths that occur as a result of its MMR hysteria? It's culpable in the wholesale misrepresentation of scientific facts for its political agenda....and steadfastly refuses to give print space to all the evidence that discredits its claims....

at the very least papers should be forced by the press commission to publish full front page admissions of gross errors affecting the public interest....

but personally i reckon it should just be put out of business for the public good :D
 
Asolepius said:
This is yet again being stirred up by Private Eye. Not available online so you need to find issue 1160. There's a garbled account of some US study which showed vaccine strain virus in the guts of some autistic children. This apparently shows cause and effect:rolleyes:
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I think that, in common with a lot of "political" writers, they have a problem with admitting they backed the wrong horse. I would have thought that the revelation of Wakefield's single vaccine patent application would have had some resonance with them, as it gave them a nice conflict of interest and they're usually quite keen on that sort of thing, but thery seem to have decided to ignore it.
 
*gah*, it appears that nothing will get through the heads of the people at the Daily Mail.

So sad.
 
TobiasTheCommie said:
*gah*, it appears that nothing will get through the heads of the people at the Daily Mail.

So sad.
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It's a horror. A gossip magazine with a political agenda. It would mark the low-point of universal suffrage if there wasn't always further to dig. At its heart are people who still toast the Duke of Windsor's birthday, and speculate on how wonderful things would be if his sensible attitude to Herr Hitler had prevailed in England (sic) back in the day.
 
Private Eye is a product of the elite British education system, what we Brits know as public-schools and Oxbridge. Their focus was always on the Establishment, science was for wimps who weren't out to challenge the world. Or might change it accidentally. All you have to suggest to Private Eye to get them behind you is that the scientific establishment says you're talking crap. They're still claiming (occasionally) that BSE is a cover-up of organo-phosphate poisoning.

Private Eye isn't what it used to be. But then, it never was.
 
The Sun

Well, I'm sure you'll be glad to hear The Sun is taking the opposite stance to The Mail.

In todays paper (cough. Didn't buy it. Found it.), there was a story (albeit on page 30 or so [1]) about a mum who didn't allow her children to have the MMR vaccine. All the kids came down with Measles and one of them is still seriously ill in hospital. Basic jist of the story was "Hey, even if there's a small risk of bad things, the greater risk is not getting your kids vaccinated"

Seems for once, The Sun is doing something good.

[1] Yes, there really were > 30 pages in it. Although a good 20 of them were about some football tournament that seems to be happening just now.
 
Hello, first post on here so go-easy on me?:)

I've followed the MMR debate for quite a few years now; and, tbh, I've never thought that it stacks up...Why, for example, did the number of autism-spectrum diagnoses continue to rise for so long after MMR-uptake had reached its peak?

But, the press? All they are interested in is making money!
 
CapelDodger said:
Private Eye is a product of the elite British education system, what we Brits know as public-schools and Oxbridge. Their focus was always on the Establishment, science was for wimps who weren't out to challenge the world. Or might change it accidentally. All you have to suggest to Private Eye to get them behind you is that the scientific establishment says you're talking crap. They're still claiming (occasionally) that BSE is a cover-up of organo-phosphate poisoning.

Private Eye isn't what it used to be. But then, it never was.
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Although Francis Wheen of "how mumbo jumbo conquered the world" "fame" is deputy editor. I wonder how he feels about all of this. OTOH the eye never saw a conspiracy theory it didn't like, especially when Paul Foot was there.
 
As a direct result of low levels of vaccine coverage, it isn't just measles. Rubella outbreaks won't be far behind.

Update: Multistate Outbreak of Mumps --- United States, January 1--May 2, 2006

December 07, 2004; Mumps outbreak sweeps Scotland

Cases of mumps now 500 a week; Anushka Asthana, education correspondent; UK; Sunday April 30, 2006

Outbreaks Update: Recent Measles and Mumps Outbreaks; This information is current as of today, June 22, 2006, 08:03:26 PM
Six of the eight teams representing the Americas in the upcoming World Cup are scheduled to play in games held in cities of the North Rhine-Westphalia region of Germany, which is currently experiencing an outbreak of measles. The Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) has encouraged all countries in the Americas to remind residents traveling to Germany for the games to ensure that they are immune, as they will likely be exposed to measles virus. Health-care professionals should also be alert to possible measles virus importations (http://www.paho.org/english/ad/fch/im/measles.htm).

Ongoing outbreaks of measles and mumps in several other countries highlight the importance of ensuring that all travelers (regardless of destination) are protected before departure. In May 2006, a measles outbreak was reported in Australia. Recent measles outbreaks have also been reported from and may be ongoing in : Denmark, Greece, Kenya, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine, and Venezuela. Recent outbreaks of mumps have also been reported among adolescents and young adults in the United States and United Kingdom.
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CDC mumps information pages, FYI if interested.
 
Pete Tattum said:
Hello, first post on here so go-easy on me?:)

I've followed the MMR debate for quite a few years now; and, tbh, I've never thought that it stacks up...Why, for example, did the number of autism-spectrum diagnoses continue to rise for so long after MMR-uptake had reached its peak?

But, the press? All they are interested in is making money!
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And they still go on about thimerisol which was NEVER in MMR vaccine and has been removed from all but some flu vaccine doses of kids' vaccines (in the USA at least). No decrease in autism after more than 5 years without thimerisol as well.

In the meantime, the hunt for the real cause of autism is sidetracked by these guys' failure to give up when the research results were in.
 
Autism diagnosis rates went up when other things like PDD went under its umbrella. Also, kids labelled "slow" were better diagnosed and went under the autism umbrella.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-06/bpl-trn062905.php


Prior to these new criteria, children with autism may have been given less precise diagnoses such as “developmental delay” or “mental retardation,” and children with milder symptoms of autism may not have been identified at all. The 1991 federal special education laws improved the availability of educational services for children with autism.

The study used data from the Rochester Epidemiology Project, a database of all inpatient and outpatient records in Olmsted County, Minn. The database diagnoses are indexed for computerized retrieval, allowing researchers to identify subjects with any developmental disorder. Researchers found 3,000 children with at least one of 80 diagnoses related to autism. Of the 3,000 children, 124 actually met the current diagnostic criteria for autism. Reviewing the medical and school history of this group showed that the incidence of autism was stable until 1988-1991, then increased after new laws and new diagnostic criteria were implemented.
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http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/509056/


But the graph actually vindicated vaccines. MMR vaccination began in children born in 1970, but there was no increase in autism reports in the state until 1980, which also happened to be the first year the psychiatric definition of autism spectrum disorders changed.
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http://www.slate.com/id/2123647/
 
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