....Atheism doesn't perpetuate itself through fear and guilt....
Tell me how and why it perpetuates itself.
Originally Posted by Huntster :
Because it's nature.
So are viruses.
Yup.
So?
Originally Posted by Huntster :
It beats illegal immigration/invasion. Your children learn how to work by performing the labor necessary for basic life, instead of allowing "voluntary slavery", which translates to voluntary invasion.
America needs a touch of Latin mellowness....
Yup. I've seen plenty of it.
I've also seen plenty of Hispanic gang warfare and Mexican originated organized crime.
...And anyway, when was the last time you heard the phrase "lazy Mexican"....
It's been a while. I moved away from the Hispanic neighborhood I grew up in over 30 years ago.
...I'm sure they're like baby pigeons - they exist but you never see one. You can't say the same for white trash.
That's true here in Alaska. There are few Hispanics, and plenty of white meth-addicts.
The opposite was true in the neighborhood of my youth.
Originally Posted by Huntster :
The population of China is the equivalent of nearly 1/5 of the planet's humanity. They feed themselves.
They have population control. India does not. India has problems feeding itself.
India has agricultural problems that China does not.
Originally Posted by Huntster :
For decades the United States, during the Cold War, was the bread basket of the world. We produce much more food even today than we consume, even though we are told that we are "fat" and "gluttonous".
We are fat and gluttonous. That has more to do with what is eaten and what activity follows the eating than food production.
The point is that we don't have the agricultural problems that other nations have, and many agricultural problems aren't so much growing food in a tough environment, but building and supporting the infrastructure to do so.
Originally Posted by Huntster :
I fed my family on a small truck farm, which supplemented my hunting for wild game and raising livestock. This in Alaska, with a growing season of less than 100 days.
Let me guess; for you, food originates at the grocery store.
Yes - because I have other things to do than waste my time farming.
Fair enough. You are reliant on the agricultural, transportation, and retail industries.
...I'm not a farmer. There are farmers who grow the food. Why should I take time to grow my own food when there are other people for whom that is their full-time job? By your logic we'd all still be stuck in the Paleolithic Age, spending more time finding food than creating technology and specialization....
Go ahead and specialize. Just be aware that you don't know how to serve your own most basic needs, and are reliant on others to do so for you.
If you choose to be that way, more power to you.
I choose otherwise.
Originally Posted by Huntster :
You have no idea what can and will feed the Chinese and Indians. You don't even know who feeds you.
Farmers and ranchers feed me. Not every land has the growing capacity we do.
This place is literally frozen for 265 days per year. Not only is agriculture possible, it can thrive.
...Eventually, with uncontrolled populations, food production WILL run out. Other things probably will run out first, like living space and materials for other consumable products, but food production is also finite. And that's not counting the factor that, quite frankly, large families where the provider cannot afford to provide for all the hungry mouths are cruel. Any situation that dictates "too bad, our (pride/God) demands it" is, to me, disgusting.
That's your opinion, and you have a right to it.
Mine is different; starvation and famine are an occasional fact of biological life, for humans as well as all other creatures.
I find most human population control theories more dangerous than our ability to feed ourselves.
Those who wish to control population should start with themselves, not those who disagree with them.
