Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Christophera]

Yea, You Know How To Distort Like Crazy

"I don't know what I'm talking about, but that's not important."

For EVEN a normal controlled demolition ? What, were they desintegrated by aliens ?

Expected. Yes they do. It was a precedent.

I thought you said NIST denied the presence of the core ?

Appeal to sentiments will not work here. Show the damn evidence.

Why do I bother, anyway ?

"I know something you don't"

Labelling, minimizing, all or nothing thinking, overgeneralizations, entitlement, WOW, you really do know how to conduct cognitive distortions. And whats more amazing, is you probably don't even know you are doing it.

That is natures way of assisting with dissociation from information which is too disturbing.

 

[Z]

Shelf life in the package of C-4, according to what I've read here: 10 years.

Out of the package, as anyone realizes with an ounce of common sense, shelf life will deteriorate, not extend. Even if encased in concrete, the C-4 would have been exposed for however long to air, begining the oxidation process.

At best, C-4 removed from its package, then packed and sealed in concrete or steel or any other material, would have a somewhat shorter shelf life than in its original packaging.

The only way to plant C-4 and extend its shelf life would have been if the container the C-4 were in was chemically inert, and immediately vacuum-sealed to remove all oxygen and other chemicals. The containers would also have to be maintained at an ideal temperature.

Even so, the best you could extend the functionality of C-4 would have been five or six years.

So best possible scenario - which is not supported by your claims - the C-4 could have lasted 16 years. Meaning C-4 planted during the construction of the towers in the late 60s would have been inert putty by the early 80s. If we're generous, and use the opening year of the later tower - 1972 - the C-4 would have been inert no later than 1988.

Those shelf life figures aren't far off, either. Having been asked to use 12-year old C-4 in a demo project, I can tell you, the older the C-4, the less likely it is to work at all. Our unit in Korea was required to replace all demolitions kits every five years, to ensure the C-4 would work properly. Our unit in Oklahoma lacked this requirement; as a result, when the time came for demolitions classes and exhibits, we had no idea if the stuff would work or not. There were several times we had to call in an EOD unit to destroy something we had rigged that failed to go off due to using out-of-date C-4.

Therefore, one of the key components of your conspiracy theory is incorrect.

The 'green stuff' was not C-4.

While this does not claim that the destruction of the towers was NOT from controlled demolition, it does show that your theory has a single fatal flaw. You'd be better off attempting to come up with a theory that explains how sufficient quantities of C-4 could be applied, properly wired, and concealed during the alleged power-down of the tower.... and how the same was accomplished in the other tower with no corresponding power-down.

 

[Belz...]

The fire fighters know it was a demo because collapses don't pulverize everything.

Maybe you'd care to ask them if that's the case. I'll light a few candles for you.

but there is nowhere for the elevators inside the core. So typically we catch a liar because their story doesn't match.

So mistakes don't exist ?

No. That makes less sense because it looks like a high speed series of explosions.

I don't give a hoot what it looks like, Christoblad. I want to know what it IS.

The use of math is a waste of time (that is what you are trying to cause)

That made me chuckle, actually. The use of math is a waste of time. Well, coming from someone who admitted not going to school, it's a given.

So much for the U.S. Constitution and the rights and freedoms our children might enjoy.

You also have the right to remain silent, you know.

There were murders. And there are lies and it is being proven right here that you folks cannot supprt the NIST info on the towers structure. Meaning you are suporting a lie that murderes depend on to get away with their deeds.

Denial.

 

[Pardalis]

Labelling, minimizing, all or nothing thinking, overgeneralizations, entitlement, WOW, you really do know how to conduct cognitive distortions.

All of wich you have done yourself many times in this thread.

 

[Belz...]

Absolutely, the planes were a cover for the fact that the building were built to be demolished and scheduled for 9-11.

Soooo.... they built the WTC in the 70's to demolish them thirty years later in order to ... go to war for oil ?

Why didn't they just ... go to war ?

 

[Christophera]

And thank you for finally responding to a question. I've seen your diagram. No matter what side you view your tower from, every other floor would appear to have a completely solid core, becuase you'd be viewing down the wrong axis. In both photos all the floors have a great amount of daylight visible through them, and almost all have an identical configuration to the floor directly above and below. There is no alternating axis. In the picture I edited, there is more daylight than solid structure. That is not one hallway through a thick concrete core, it is open space punctuated by narrow supports.

Edit to add: your sunset picture seems to show a more solid core than the black and white one. We've already seen evidence that was just drywall, not concrete.

the only barriers were 1 whole floor on WTC 1 and a slab thickness in core halls on WTC 2.

Robertson said in one comment I've seen that the floors disappeared when the towers were sihouetted. As the light is reflected off the concrete interior wall of the core, it tends to blur more at the distance of the photo.

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In this image the interior core walls are just visible. Notation locates the gap every other floor.

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Between the zoomed version above and the full shot below the vertical space between interior walls is just seen.

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[Shrinker]

Christophera, I can't find any floor plans that back up your claim that the cores of the two towers were configured differently. Do you have any evidence of this?

Also I can't find any evidence that any of the floors had two hallways running end to end through the core. From what I've seen, such a design would interfere with the stairwells.

Again do you have any evidence of this? Or is this all a rationalisation to combat the discovery that your concrete core theory is literally full of holes?

 

[Christophera]

All of wich you have done yourself many times in this thread.

So you notice I do it as well. Did you notice that I'm using it with evidence to counter distortions having no basis? Did you notice I'm doing it to preserve our Constitution, our rights and freedoms?

Can you say that by denying evidence you can protect our rights and freedoms? Or have you been made so afraid of Muslims you're ready to blindly assist in their destruction no matter what and believe that will protect our rights and freedoms?

You don't really have to answer these, just think about them.

 

[Pardalis]

Between the zoomed version above and the full shot below the vertical space between interior walls is just seen.

Between the zoomed version picture and the full shot below it I just see text.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Mr. Brown, you've now posted an additional eight times since my most recent request that you answer my follow-up question. This makes it 13 posts in all since I asked the first time.

For your convenience, here is the question again:

At what level (that is, between what stories) did each airplane strike each tower?

 

[Timothy]

I've been a welder for 30 years and a surveyor for 20 ....

And by your own testimony you've been under the influence of "harmful hypnotic telepathy" for 38 years.

So you've been a delusional longer than you've been in construction.

It certainly shows.

- Timothy

 

[Christophera]

Christophera, I can't find any floor plans that back up your claim that the cores of the two towers were configured differently. Do you have any evidence of this?

Look at survivor accounts for the towers. The was a fire marshall for each tower and knowing one tower would not work in the other.

Also I can't find any evidence that any of the floors had two hallways running end to end through the core. From what I've seen, such a design would interfere with the stairwells.

The 3 stairwells were able to weave between the hallways.

Again do you have any evidence of this? Or is this all a rationalisation to combat the discovery that your concrete core theory is literally full of holes?

First realize that no one here has ever posted an image or a link to a site that shows us the stel core columns that FEMA states existed. I've posted this url which to a site having many photos showing the concrete. It will take familiarity of concrete and steel to feel very secure with the knowledge that the cores were concrete. Basically because no steel core columns ever show, we know this image is concrete.

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[Pardalis]

And by your own testimony you've been under the influence of "harmful hypnotic telepathy" for 38 years.

Whoa, I think I missed something.

 

[Belz...]

I mean, how many people knew beforehand that it was going to happen? We need to trace the evidence back to these criminals.

Hi Tricky. Long time no see. I see we're tackling the same woo, here.

35 years.

Are you saying that there are no organizations that can keep secrets that well?

Yes.

He is the devil's advocate...

He's NOT my lawyer.

If you would read, you would learn that in the manufacturers package the shelf life is 10 years.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1154643

The manufacturere doesn't say how long it will last encapsulated in a couple of feet of concrete.

You're right, it doesn't. So how do YOU know ?

Sorry, you are wrong. Here is the same core lower, nothing behind.

Er... because it FELL ? I think you're looking at dust, man. DUST.

Really, you can consider that secret elements of government are going to chance that their construction project is to blame rather than some other likely perpetrator? Because ONLY optimaly placed and distributed explosives can do what happened.

Says the guy who never went to school.

DUST.

We have been decieved for many, many decades.

I'm sure you feel that this thought gives you purpose in this complex and dangerous world. It'd unfortunate that the universe doesn't bend to your will, I know. I'd like magical powers, myself. But they don't exist, Christobald. You've gotta deal with the pain.

Well, we can add you. And probably your father and your grandfather.

It is a dynamic deception and not the subject of this thread.

Oh, please create a new thread and I'll be happy to hear your delus... opinions on this.

It was only 3 days before 9-11 that WTC 2 was powered down on the upper 48 floors for 38 hours for a cable upgrade.

Just enough time to do months' worth of explosive rigging.

The building wasn't made of C4. The steel rebar inside the concrete was coated with a small, engineered amount of C4. Parafin plugs were cast on the inside of the core to fill inspection ports on the rebar. the presence of the ports were in the documentary I saw in 1990.

I recommend euthanasia.

No you don't. That was a typo, surely?

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Recall that after the lease of the WTC there were major complaints from people trying to get to lower floors because they had to go up, change elevators and come down to get around the elevator work. The core was very thick at the base and getting detonators to the rebar would be a big job, but the holes made to get to the bar could be refilled with parafin.

Anyone here know someone who worked in the WTC towers so we can have first-hand testimony of how much space that core took ?

 

[Stellafane]

I'm kind of surprised this thread is still going. I enjoy seeing CT'ers get eviscerated as much as anyone, but there’s something about Christophera that I find really disturbing. I believe he’s either here to deliberately spread misinformation, or (even more alarming) he is seriously delusional. I’m nowhere near qualified to make any diagnoses or judgments concerning the latter, but I suspect that very little good can come from arguing with someone who suffers from such issues. So like others involved in this thread, I’ve opted out (not that I was contributing anything of substance anyway).

 

[Pardalis]

we know this image is concrete.

How?

ETA: Usually, .jpg images are not made of concrete.

 

[Belz...]

There are bigger problems that have to dealt with first. We are afraid of our unconscious existence. They operate there.

Crazy it is.

Hmmm... I finally get to the end of the thread and there's nothing else to say. How disappointing.

Oh no, 43. Please, by all means say something. Anything someone with Tuco for an avatar says can't possibly be anything else than entertaining!

These are trained professionals with experience. I know a high speed series of detonations when I see them.

I submit that you don't.

Suspended, now are we ? Damn. These guys always find a way to get kicked out so they can cry foul to their buddies.

 

[Dave_46]

With reference to the image on your website. (see post 480)

1. Do you know the difference between a column and a beam? If so please explain

2. Do you know that 800 C is nowhere near hot enough to melt steel?

Dave

ETA reference to post number

 

[Pardalis]

I'm kind of surprised this thread is still going. I enjoy seeing CT'ers get eviscerated as much as anyone, but there’s something about Christophera that I find really disturbing. I believe he’s either here to deliberately spread misinformation, or (even more alarming) he is seriously delusional. I’m nowhere near qualified to make any diagnoses or judgments concerning the latter, but I suspect that very little good can come from arguing with someone who suffers from such issues. So like others involved in this thread, I’ve opted out (not that I was contributing anything of substance anyway).

Come to think of it, you're absolutely right.

It's like talking to my budgie, everything we'll ever say he's always going to respond by "chîîîp chîîîp".

 

[Darat]

Attacking the argument is OK, attacking the Member is not.

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