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Consciousness in death

A couple of points:

1) Dreaming can occur at any stage of sleep - with or without REM. The idea that dreams are accompanied by REM is an outdated theory, long since disproven.

2) Events within lucid dreams move at the same apparent rate as the passage of real time; however, there is some controversy as to whether or not this is true of other dreams. Some research indicates that what we remember as a long dream is really a series of short snippets with pre-formed, false memories, which, upon waking, our brains synthesize into a timeline which is longer than that which actually occured... thus, the length of a normal dream may be merely an illusion. Other research, however, suggests that event processing can be severely compressed during some stages of sleep - that is, since this is direct inter-brain activity without the interference of senses, conscious awareness, etc, that dream-activities may be occuring at rates 2-3 times faster than possible when awake.

3) There is some research - as yet, insufficient to draw solid conclusions - that people will dream even under extreme circumstances, i.e. during surgery, when nearly frozen, etc... and that, in such cases, some sensory input can be integrated into the dream experience even though we would ordinarily assume they could not sense anything. If this research does become conclusive, it would strongly undermine the idea of OBE/NDE experience in favor of a unique form of dream. However, from what little I was able to find, they've only scratched the surface of this concept.

4) Not everybody dreams... there is a tiny fraction of the populace that suffers a disorder preventing dreams from occuring. However, most people dream every night, and immediately forget all dreams upon awaking.

Just some minor fodder for debate...
 
A couple of points:

1) Dreaming can occur at any stage of sleep - with or without REM. The idea that dreams are accompanied by REM is an outdated theory, long since disproven.

I had no idea that it has been disproven. However I never claimed that dreams are inevitably accompanied by REM. I wouldn't do since obviously this would not be possible to establish. I said that to have REM means you are dreaming.


4) Not everybody dreams... there is a tiny fraction of the populace that suffers a disorder preventing dreams from occuring. However, most people dream every night, and immediately forget all dreams upon awaking.

Just some minor fodder for debate...

I was thinking of qualifying my assertion but I simply couldn't be bothered. I was going to mention people with severe apnea and the like, but it's entirely unimportant in the context of what was being said (i.e how do we arrange for the lucid dreamer to enter rem).
 
My own lucid dreams, such as they are, definitely don't occur in real time. I've never dreamed through several days, yet days have elapsed within the dream. YMMV.
 
I had no idea that it has been disproven. However I never claimed that dreams are inevitably accompanied by REM. I wouldn't do since obviously this would not be possible to establish. I said that to have REM means you are dreaming.

Fair enough - yes, REM means you are dreaming. But it is not a sure-fire indicator of dreaming.

I was thinking of qualifying my assertion but I simply couldn't be bothered. I was going to mention people with severe apnea and the like, but it's entirely unimportant in the context of what was being said (i.e how do we arrange for the lucid dreamer to enter rem).

Granted. Just offering clarification. (I really have nothing better to do today).

BTW - for what it's worth - I agree with you one one point: that if paranormal phenomena exist, they will remain unproven/untestable via the scientific method, because their effects are too weak/unpredictable/uncontrollable.
 
I don't think many people would deny that it could be. But the pertinent question here is what is it reasonable to believe?

Indeed. Is it more reasonable to assume that the OBE mentioned in this OP occurred because of a woman's floating spirit apparently recording and processing stimuli while hovering over her body during the surgery and then recombining with the woman's (body/brain/soul parking space?) and transmitting those OBE memories to her so that she could tell people later.

Or she had a brain generated dream. You know, like a brain generated consciousness.

The horror.
 
As far as the whole dream thing is concerned- you know the old saying "a watched pot never boils" When we keep track of time, every second is accounted for which makes time seem to go slower. When we don't give a ****, time seems to fly "boy, time sure flies when you're having fun." I usually have lucid dreams- I always know I'm dreaming, and I can usually do whatever I want because of it- but I don't have a clock in my head to watch each passing minute so 8 hours of sleep can seem like 2 hours of dreaming. If "days" do pass in a dream then its more like a movie than anything- you know, days, months, and years can go by in a two hour movie.
 

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