The mysterious and inexplicable God

Robin

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An argument often encountered in theology is that if aspect of theism appears illogical it is just because, as finite creatures, we are incapable of understanding an infinite God.

But then it would seem that the Christian message is that we should suffer eternally if we are also unable to believe that which we are, by definition, incapable of understanding.
 
"Should" suffer eternally? I'm not following you.

Many people suffer, yes. As a (logical?) consequence of human finiteness, man can't get to the bottom of it all.

But is it eternal? I'm not sure about that, either. Doesn't mainstream Western theism (not just Christianity) posit either a messianic age or an afterlife in which the "reasoning" behind the suffering becomes clear?
 
An argument often encountered in theology is that if aspect of theism appears illogical it is just because, as finite creatures, we are incapable of understanding an infinite God.

...snip...

Sadly, this type of argument is quite common while appreciation of its further implications is scarce. Many believers tend to compound the speciousness of the argument by dismissing logic as "just another belief system" of equal validity to belief in (a) god(s) without due regard for the fact that logic has served mankind far more fruitfully, reliably and consistently than god beliefs. Difficulties arise as soon as one ascribes more than one distinct property of a limitless kind (e.g. omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, etc.) to a god since one can imagine situations wherein two or more such characteristics will be in tension with one another.

If believers were to face up to these profound problems (which, incidentally, are independent of the specific content of assorted religious dogmas), they would have to acknowledge that any statement of the kind, "God is X" is self-defeating since it either conflicts with another statement of a similar kind for a different value of "X", or it encumbers god with a limit. Consequently, the only sane approach is to remain completely silent about any assumed attributes of god. However, such silence would not accord with worship, as required by religious ritual, and the religion would quickly die of over-diversification and/or under-subscription.

To avoid the aforementioned outcomes, the dogma includes the escape hatch outlined in your post: if in doubt, god rules. In this view, suffering is directly attributable to our inability to comprehend or, apparently, to influence such an ineffable god. It isn't so much that Western monotheistic dogmas promise that the reason(s) for suffering will become clear, as that the suffering will evermore be banished. This promise is quite comforting if you assume that your consciousness will persist more-or-less unaltered forever.

I don't.

'Luthon64
 
"Should" suffer eternally? I'm not following you.

Many people suffer, yes. As a (logical?) consequence of human finiteness, man can't get to the bottom of it all.

But is it eternal? I'm not sure about that, either. Doesn't mainstream Western theism (not just Christianity) posit either a messianic age or an afterlife in which the "reasoning" behind the suffering becomes clear?
Probably my fault for unclarity. I am referring to the doctrine of Hell which according to Christian (and other) Theism awaits unbelievers.

How is it possible to believe in something you are incapable of understanding.
 
Probably my fault for unclarity. I am referring to the doctrine of Hell which according to Christian (and other) Theism awaits unbelievers.

How is it possible to believe in something you are incapable of understanding.

One need not understand how an internal combustion engine works to know one should get out of the way of a truck bearing down on you at seventy miles an hour. "Thing that will hurt you" and "thing that will reward you" are perfectly rational concepts.
 
One need not understand how an internal combustion engine works to know one should get out of the way of a truck bearing down on you at seventy miles an hour. "Thing that will hurt you" and "thing that will reward you" are perfectly rational concepts.

Agreed as far as it goes. However, there's a fundamental difference here that your analogy misses. The concept and operation of a motor vehicle can in principle be understood by any normal person who applies his or her mind to the problem, but the same cannot be said of god's mind, which ex hypothesi no mortal could ever grasp. Robin's question is all the more pointed in the light of this distinction.

'Luthon64
 

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