James Randi In Australia, the full documentary.

I would imagine that con-artists all think poorly of - and usually make fun of - their marks.

Agreed, but one comment in particular really got to me (Randi relates this to P&T in the extras of the BS Season 1 DVD). At one point, Popoff is looking around the crowd, and one of the people in attendance is a heavyset woman of color just crying her eyes out. Obviously something was wrong and she was very distraught. Popoff's wife comes over the earpiece and directs him to "the fat n****r sitting in row ___. And keep your hands off her t*ts. I'm watching you."

This, to me, is more than a con artist working a gullible mark. I'm ashamed to live on the same planet as this man and his wife. :(
 
Loved the video. My main complaint was that there was plenty of footage of the dowsers showing their certainty, but hardly any of them giving their excuses. To me, that is the most damning thing about woos: the stories they make up to cover for their failure. Yeah, we heard sunspots mentioned, but I wanted to hear from that arrogant bastard in the yellow shirt who was so cocksure. I saw him raise his hand when Randi asked if he still believed in dowsing (fulfilling Randi's prediction) but I never heard his whinging. That would have been priceless.
 
I felt rather sorry for the dowsers, until Randi asked them who still believed. Then I lost all sympathy.

I know I've seen this before...was it ever shown on US TV?
 
I can't download it - I get about 30 secs in and it starts to stutter. At this rate, it will take 13.5 weeks to download - I can't wait that long!

How about putting it somewhere we can actually access it with a hope of reasonable success, Richard?

I think it was bandwidth overload, it worked fine for me at first, then it just died half way through.
 
This isn't the one where the host goes wild after seeing JR bend a spoon, is it? I've only heard about that but didn't think a video was available.

No, that was a local midday show, The Don Lane Show. And it was a key, not a spoon.
 
Over on YouTube is a replay of the Mighty Mitta Muster Divining Test put on by the Australian skeptics. This one includes more of the excuses which I find so wonderful. One of them was that the water had lost it's "electricity" because it sat out too long. Another dowser (like many of them) had the idea that water flows in streams underground instead of the usual situation where water sits mostly static in porous rock or sediment layers. It was too funny.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
 
Over on YouTube is a replay of the Mighty Mitta Muster Divining Test put on by the Australian skeptics. This one includes more of the excuses which I find so wonderful. One of them was that the water had lost it's "electricity" because it sat out too long. Another dowser (like many of them) had the idea that water flows in streams underground instead of the usual situation where water sits mostly static in porous rock or sediment layers. It was too funny.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
OR, alternatively, you can get a good version from videos.google.com :D
 
This isn't the one where the host goes wild after seeing JR bend a spoon, is it? I've only heard about that but didn't think a video was available.

Nope you're thinking of when Randi was on the Don Lane Show (Don Lane tonight maybe?).

Randi is talking to Lane whilst bending the key on his seat, and Lane notices this.

Lane then chucks a hissy fit and starts ranting and raving that Randi was calling Doris Stokes (60 or 70 year old female John Edwards a like iirc) a liar (on some sort of Radio show).

Randi was saying that he said nothing of the sort, with Lane shouting over the top of him the entire time.

Lane then tries to cut to commercial whilst storming off (swiping at the spare keys on the coffee table infront of Randi and sending them flying) and swearing whilst a bemused Randi looks on.

It was on Channel 9 last night, being promoted as the 4th (i think) greatest televised hissy fit in Australia.
 
Nope you're thinking of when Randi was on the Don Lane Show (Don Lane tonight maybe?).

Randi is talking to Lane whilst bending the key on his seat, and Lane notices this.
Did he notice the key bending the first time? Didn't Randi do a ratchet effect with that key and then reveal who he had bent it? Thus bringing on the Lane dummy spit?
 
ImOne, you are making an attempt at data searching.

That 22% success rate was for 50 tests, which really is not enough trials to achieve the expected 10% rate due to random chance. I would want to see at least 100 trials and 1000 would be enough to satisfy me. The other two tests had a 0% in 26 attempts and 12% rate for 35. All together, this gives a success rate of 12% for 111 tries.

Looking at the water test, it would seem the dowsers beat the odds. But the dowsers were claiming 80-100% accuracy, so by their own standards, they failed the test. A skeptic expects a 10% accuracy, but the 10% number only applies when enough tests have been conducted.

Similarly, we could look at the brass-finding test, which had a 0% success rate. Some will say this is proof that James Randi somehow interfered with their abilities. Even someone familiar with statistics will see a 0% success rate as odd, but still, this is not unexpected for only 26 tries.

As for looking at the top guessers, I mean, dowsers, that is also selecting data. Suppose I got 10,000 people to take the dowsing test. The overall success rate is going to be 10%, but some people are going to score much higher than 10%. In fact, I can get someone to score 100% if I test enough people for long enough. Of course, if I get that person to try and repeat the test, then the success rate is going to fall back down to 10%. That was a valid point about repeating the test, but there was no evidence that repeating the test would give results that would have given any other conclusion.

This is why the overall results were used to determine the validity of dowsing. There needed to be more than 50 tests to arrive at something approaching the expected 10% success rate. The overall success rate of 12% backs up the skeptical claim that dowsing is no more effective than random guessing. The dowser's claim is 80-100%. I have to say the test was sufficient to back up the claim of the skeptics, and debunk the claims of the dowsers.
 
I wonder if anyone can help me track down the video that first got me into scepticsm. In it Randi goes to a tribe (I'm assuming in Africa) and poses as a mystic. He performs an exorcism on a woman, and makes a coconut move all on its own. Of course, he then explains that like the other mystics that come to their town demanding money, he has no paranormal power. I believe he also tests some dowsers by placing objects under cups for them to find.

This video was shown to me by a high school biology teacher, and i haven't been able to find it since. There is much more to it, but since its been years since i've seen it, i've forgotten most of it.

BTW, I'd also like to suggest the Nova special Secrets of the Psychics to anyone that hasn't seen it. Great video featuring Randi testing various claims.
I checked out a copy from my local library, and i see that they sell copies in the Jref store.
 
Popoff's wife comes over the earpiece and directs him to "the fat n****r sitting in row ___. And keep your hands off her t*ts. I'm watching you."

This, to me, is more than a con artist working a gullible mark. I'm ashamed to live on the same planet as this man and his wife. :(

Things like this are how such con-artists salve their own conscience. They dehumanise their victims in order to self-justify their actions.
 
I see that Randi has put the link to this video in Swift. So far it has been viewed over 1000 times and downloaded over 100 times. It's just the thing to bring to the attention of the divining and dowing web sites (evil grin)

WOW....
 
Could a dowser have won this challenge? What if a clever dowser says he finds water everywhere but the water he claims he's detecting is deeper and the water in the pipes doesn't matter. The only way to disprove him would be to dig a well. And he might not be disproven because it's hard, in many areas, to find places where there isn't water.
 
The test was designed to eliminate this excuse. The video shows the dowsers walking through the area before any water was flowing. None of them claimed to detect water at this time and they declared the area 'clear'. They couldn't claim later to have been thrown by deep water since they had already agreed there wasn't any before the test. Of course, this didn't keep them from coming up with other excuses.
 
How many of them gave up the job afterwards? I know they all claimed afterwards they still believed in it.

I have just done a Google search and found at least one site owned by a person that does it. Mind you also found the skeptics site.
 
The test was designed to eliminate this excuse

Yes, this is true, but a clever - maybe dishonest - dowser would have claimed that he did find water everywhere before the test began. These dowsers obviously didn't have their thinking caps on. How would a dowser making such a claim be tested then? Were I a dowser in this test, I would have claimed the prize or ask that I be proved wrong by drilling a well.

Of course, I would have failed miserably on the metal detection test, but then I wouldn't have claimed to be able to do this.
 

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