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kookbreaker said:
I see the Loosers have already gone to their 'Krusty is coming' defense. If the woman was seen in the gash, the fire couldn't have been bad, right? Right?

Why do you think we call them 'Loosers'?
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Cripes. They've even gone back to their 'Fell faster than free-fall' arguements.'

Sheesh.
 
Manny said:
This is exactly why I hate the Loosers to the point that I believe "he was a 9-11 conspiracy theorist" should be an affirmative defense to a murder charge. There are real, live questions not answered about 9-11. Questions about building design, questions about communication, questions about fire protection, questions about the role of the military in protecting civilian airspace, questions about civil liberties during a time of war when the exact nature of the war and the duration of it are unclear. Every second spent on these terrorist supporters is a second that ought to be spent on a serious issue. Every person who is persuaded by their garbage is a person who will look at actual important questions from an irrational perspective.
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Well said Manny.
 
Manny said:
Oh, I agree with that. They have a 0% chance of convincing him. I'm just afraid that they'll convince themselves that structural engineers are dumb/bought off/in on it/whatever and will seize on his errors as "evidence."


I think you may have been reading more into my post than was warranted.
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That is entirely possible. I was referring to the "not a very good one" point...To me, as an engineer, he makes sense, and has "dumbed down" his explanation to the over-simplification point to get the concepts across to the " Tomato plant IQ bunch"....
I did not want to see "critical thinkers" delve into folklore by professing expertise they do not posess .
Manny said:
That said, this is as good an opportunity to discuss yet another of the Loosers' errors, one that is otherwise hardly worth addressing amidst the other dreck they post. When the real estate industry speaks of a building's "core," they're not referring to an engineering or architectural term that means "where the main support of a building is." As discussed, in most buildings there is not "main" support of a building. The term merely refers to "where the elevators are." A "center-core building" simply means that the elevator banks are in approximately the middle of the building. That's good for large office buildings when you want to distribute the worker bees all around the building. An offset-core building will have a pretty big expanse on one side of the elevator banks and a comparatively smaller area on the other side. That's a good design for smaller buildings where you want a decent-size expanse for cubicles or whatever -- you can stick conference rooms and executive offices on the narrower side. It's also good for some multi-tenant setups.
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Extremely True, although some older buildings (the Empire State Building being one)were built with the central core being a major load-bearing portion of it, mostly because of the available construction techniques at the time.
 
Correa Neto said:
Neuralizers.
Teh Globalists use them all the time.
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The entrance to MIB headquarters? The one where K had to take that elevator way down? It's in the fan building of the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel, just a few blocks from the Trade Center. Coincidence? I think not!.
 
kookbreaker said:
If the woman was seen in the gash, the fire couldn't have been bad, right? Right?
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It's like: they see the woman in the gash, but they don't see the huge hole surrounding her. They cannot see the forest before the trees.

For them (the loosers), if the poor woman isn't burnt therefore the towers couldn't have collapsed. But what about that FREAKING HOLE in the building???
 
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Another thing that no one has mentioned is if this conspiracy went that far back, why didn't George sr. just finish the job the first time? I mean c'mon. There was alot of people that were pissed he didn't, and we would've had the same results. I hear the call now...

Norm:"what do you want us to do George? We are on Sadam's doorstep and we have the support to go in."

George Sr.:"Nah, turn around. I'd like to hold off for now. Let's let the Dems run things for 8yrs, then we will rig the elections for my son so we can kill a couple buildings full of our own people first"
 
rwguinn said:
That is entirely possible. I was referring to the "not a very good one" point...To me, as an engineer, he makes sense, and has "dumbed down" his explanation to the over-simplification point to get the concepts across to the " Tomato plant IQ bunch"....
I did not want to see "critical thinkers" delve into folklore by professing expertise they do not posess .
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I prossess more expertise about the WTC collapses than he does, based on what he has posted so far, his credentials notwithstanding (assuming, for the sake of argument, that he has any -- we're looking at a second account from a Looser, after all). He made some fairly elemental factual errors about the buildings involved and about the events of the 11th. Dumbing down, I understand -- I did it myself when I mentioned the center columns bearing horizontal loads (they did, but the wind transfer systems and the trusses basically coverted those loads to vertical ones by the time they hit the columns). But that doesn't excuse basic factual errors.
 
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but on Bill Maher's show - Real Time on HBO - during a panel discussion with Cornell West, Richard Clarke, and John Legend, Bill asked them if they had heard any about these 9/11 conspiracies and what they thought. None of them believed

Richard Clarke's quote was telling (and logical) - "All these conspiracy theories have the two basic problems: one, they believe the government is competent. And two, they believe the government can keep a secret."

So here you have a guy who worked for four presidents on issues of intelligence and terrorism. So either he knows what he's talking about or he's a part of the conspiracy. If he's in it, why the heck does the guy go on the record saying there was no link between Al Qaeda and Saddam and criticize Bush for his handling of intelligence bot pre and post 9/11?
 
kookbreaker said:
I see the Loosers have already gone to their 'Krusty is coming' defense. If the woman was seen in the gash, the fire couldn't have been bad, right? Right?
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Speaking of the Loosers argument that the fire wasn't that bad... how do they explain why so many people jumped to their death?
 
NobbyNobbs said:
I have a few questions about this, Geggy.

1) What caused the amnesia?
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Shock and psychological disturbance

2) What is it about firefighters that prevented tehm from getting it?
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They're trained and expected to remain calm and in control during panicky situations.
3) How long did the amnesia last?
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As long as the government wants it to last...I mean, remember what I said about the repetive images of planes crashing/towers falling being shown on tv all over nyc during the aftermath of the attacks?
4) Did any of these people realize what happened once it wore off?
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Like me, people are waking up to the fact that sept 11 was an inside job. It's a no brainer once amnesia start to wear off. They've done a very sloppy job trying to cover it up, like the way they couldn't. hide the fact there were no WMD's in Iraq...the only problem is that the mainstream media refuses to touch it (sept 11).
5) Did the amnesia block out all their memories of what happened that day, or did it insert different memores? How do you explain what people *do* remember?
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Blocking out their memories. Do you expect people to remember they were experiencing amnesia? That's the beauty of it.

6) What evidence do you have for this amnesia occurring? Are you now just throwing random theories out, just for the heck of it? If so, I believe this is called "trolling".
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It's in human nature to freak out during a terror attack as extraodinary as sept 11 unless you were trained like firefighters to remain calm and in control during these catastrophic situation.

Bobkark...you remind me of luke skywalker when he found out he was the son of darth vader. Do you remember his reaction?

"NOOOOOOOO!!!"
 
geggy said:
They're trained and expected to remain calm and in control during panicky situations.
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So where are they?

It's in human nature to freak out during a terror attack as extraodinary as sept 11 unless you were trained like firefighters to remain calm and in control during these catastrophic situation.
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How do you explain that the evacuation of the towers and the subsequent evacuation of lower Manhattan was universally described as orderly and calm?
 
geggy said:
Like me, people are waking up to the fact that sept 11 was an inside job. It's a no brainer once amnesia start to wear off. They've done a very sloppy job trying to cover it up, like the way they couldn't. hide the fact there were no WMD's in Iraq...the only problem is that the mainstream media refuses to touch it (sept 11).
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I'll say it before and I'll say it again: Conspiracy Theories are the opiates of the self-impressed.
 
dubfan said:
This one should be worth watching.

Loosers catch a real, live structural engineer. He's not amused.

:D
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And yet they continue on, disputing him, disagreeing with him, and all... without providing any proof!

- Say doctor, why do I feel funny?

- Well, based on my 18 years of study, internship, and practice in the field, not to mention the battery of tests we've run, I'd have to suggest arteriorsclerosis, bec--

- Yeah? Well, I watched "ER" last week, and you're wrong!
 
geggy said:
Bobkark...you remind me of luke skywalker when he found out he was the son of darth vader. Do you remember his reaction?

"NOOOOOOOO!!!"
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Wow, how was I able to convey that impression? I suppose it could be my amazement that you're still going. The Energizer bunny would be envious.
 
Pardalis said:
geggy, do you have any expertise in psychology?
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From his post immediately before yours, I can confidently say:

No, he does not.

And sorry, geggy, but firefighters are not immune to freaking out, and normal people may or may not, depending. It's not a finely divided line at all.

In fact, I'd suggest that the number that freak out mentally is identical (percentage wise). The difference is in training. An untrained person freaks out and has no clue what to do or what is going on. The trained person freaks out mentally and, instead of standing dumbstruck or runing around screaming, kicks into the rote training that was drilled into them.

I've seen this in combat situations several times (although I am not a psychologist either, so my opinion is not authoritive).

However, none of these situations entails that any of these people would be more or less likely to remember anything. In fact, there have been several documented instances of soldiers in life-threatening situations taking a series of actions that got them out of it, and being able to remember only a few hazy details of the incident later (and sometimes even those hazy details are incorrect).

Training is not to keep you from freaking out, but to instill, by rote and repetition, the correct actions when you do freak out.
 
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