Pentagon releases AA77 video

I've just done some rough calcs based on the plane travelling at 400 mph.
That's 587 feet per second.

Someone mentioned earlier that the camera took 2 frames a second.
The plane travells 293 feet in half a second.

I'd say it's quite fortunate that the camera even picked up the nose cone!

I'd love to calculate the chances of it picking up the whole plane in frame but my stats are not up to that.
 
Ok, i gave it a go anyway.

Assuming the field of view of the lawn is the same as the length of a boeing 757-a200 = 155 feet

Also, assume that the camera takes 2 frames a second.
Assume the plane is travelling at 400 mph, or 293 feet/ frame

I get...

The chance of catching 0% of the plane = 52%
The chance of catching >= 50% of the plane = 27%

A lot of assumptions here, not least my stats ability.
 
even if it did catch as much of the plane as possible wouldn't it just be a blur? This was crappy videotape not high speed film
 
at this point i think i would accept the government actually being guilty and rounding up all the loose changers and silencing them just so i dont have to hear about it anymore, haha.
 
senorpogo said:
“Now that the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui is over, we are able to complete your request and provide the video…”
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Ya gotta love liers, sorry, lawyers, the words sound so close. Er, lawyers for the government. Any lawyers reading this I'm sure are wonderful human beings. :p

And what's up with "releasing" this video? All the important frames were released already anyway, years ago.
 
Azrael 5 said:
I agree,its playing into the hands of woo.Where's the video footage the feds took from the nearby hotel?
Im no Looser BTW just saying it shows nothing not seen already.Neither does it show anything remotely looking like a plane.
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The woo-ness of it all is exposed by simply noting there is no need to use a missle instead of a plane when you've used at least two planes that day already!

Why bother with a missle? You're already using planes on three other proven occasions! Why not use a plane for the fourth?

God damned moron idiots. By the way, my wife informs me my brother-in-law is sucked in by loose change. She comes to me one day and says, "Have you seen this loose change web site?"
 
Beerina said:
By the way, my wife informs me my brother-in-law is sucked in by loose change. She comes to me one day and says, "Have you seen this loose change web site?"
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We're ready and waiting if you want to stage an intervention.

You'll sent him Gravy's critique at the very least, yeah? Keep us up to date--I'm curious to see how effective we can be at such a personal level.
 
It's kind of surprising that the Pentagon has security cameras with far lower frame-rates than carparks, shops, etc. do.

Surely this can't be the best film they have?
 
wipeout said:
It's kind of surprising that the Pentagon has security cameras with far lower frame-rates than carparks, shops, etc. do.

Surely this can't be the best film they have?
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Apparently, it's all they have that was angled to capture the crash. The Pentagon has live security--you can't approach the building without being stopped and questioned. I'm sure they have cameras at the entrances, but that's probably about it.

These two security cameras are at the parking lot gates. They're not there to monitor the outside of the building. Why would they need to be high-speed? They only need to capture images of people who have to stop and wait for the gate to be raised.
 
wipeout said:
It's kind of surprising that the Pentagon has security cameras with far lower frame-rates than carparks, shops, etc. do.
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Actually, setuping security camera to only record 2 frames per second (for example) is standard practice. It's far from the first time I see this. For the kind of things you want to record (car jacking and other petty crime), it's more than sufficient and you can records much more hour on a single tape (30 fps vs 2 fps means that you need 15 times less tape to record the same timeframe).
 
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Ersby said:
ETA: I would've posted this before Ramoone, but Arsenal just scored.
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Now I know you're a government shill.

Arsenal never scores. They just bore the other team into submission and then change the scoreboard while everyone sleeps.
 
My first "real" post as "stipmunk":
stipmunk chew said:
I believe Loose Change is a load of BS.

I don't buy the idea that Dylan and co. are "just asking questions."
The slogan I hear over and over again is: "9/11 was an Inside Job!"
That's an accusation, not a question.

I believe Loose Change is not merely a vehicle for forcing a new investigation, but rather a propaganda piece pushing the Inside Job theory.
Case in point: In these very forums, before the "new" video of the Pentagon, the groundwork was being laid for how to keep the no-plane theory alive regardless of what the video showed.
Case A: The video shows very little, and we declare that the DoD is stalling because any video that shows what actually hit will prove that it wasn't AA77.
Case B: The video clearly shows AA77, and we declare that it was faked, since they've had plenty of time to do so, and the timing is very suspicious.
Either way you win, and the conspiracy lives on.
Now, with this kind of thinking, I don't see how a new investigation would possibly make any difference.
If you'll only accept one answer, then it's not an investigation, it's a rationalization.
I've had people tell me that they would love to be proven wrong, but I just haven't seen evidence that that's true in most cases.

I've also had people ask me, if I think this is all BS, why do I spend so much time arguing about it? Why don't I just ignore it and let them ask questions? Do I work for the gov't? Am I getting paid?

Despite what TheQuest believes, this is purely personal. And let me make one thing clear: I'm not trying to silence anyone, and I'm not trying to obstruct anyone from asking questions of the gov't.
I am fairly vocal towards the gov't on matters that are important to me, including 9/11. I was very supportive of the formation of a Commission to investigate 9/11.

Now, it would be one thing if I believed this was all true, or if it weren't an important topic. But since I don't, and it is, I find the perpetuation of the Inside Job theory both personally insulting (as a legacy of that day and as a failure of reasoning) and potentially damaging (as a distraction from real dangers and as an export to real enemies).

That's why I can't let it go without a challenge.
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http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4390
 
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