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Loose Change

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Pardalis said:
I've just listened to the radio show featuring Dylan Avery that was posted, and all I got to say is wow, this guy doesn't know what mess he's getting himself in!

Sooner or later, Avery is going to have a law suit on his hands. What he's doing, and what his films are doing, are dangerously close to diffamation of character, at least, from my view. Were not talking about a non-consequential mistake due to youthfull immaturity anymore, we're talking about serious criminal lawsuits. I wonder how long it's going to take for the other most high-profiled CTs to get their asses sued. You can't hide behind the first amendment forever, these guys are actually accusing people of corruption and mass murder. You can't hide behind the "I was just asking questions" rhethoric, some day you have to take responsability for what you say and face the consequences.
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I touched on this in post #3900.

In light of Gravy's "Loose Change" analysis, continuing to promote the claptrap of that video as factual is not only irresponsible, it is willfully libelous. May Mr. Avery, as well as others involved, enjoy learning a lesson.
 
CurtC said:
I went a-Googlin' to see if I could find any talk shows that have Dylan Avery scheduled to be on. One of the first links I checked out was this one: http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/maxshows/index.php

He's going to be on Wednesday this week.

So then I look up at the top of the page to see what font of knowledge was having Dylan on, and I see this: "Read an interview with JZ Knight... from your relationships to your possibilities!"

I wonder if the 35000 year old warrior spirit Ramtha is going to interview him. You'd think that someone who really thought that his government killed 3000 people, and he has the evidence showing it, would be talking to reporters, structural engineers, firefighters, but Dylan is talking to... wacko nutjobs.
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...And the following two Wednesdays will feature Bermas and Rowe! Oh, me! Oh, My! (If anyone doesn't know about JZ Knight, she's the cult leader who made the movie "What the bleep do we know?") So, is it a step forwards, or backwards, to go from being interviewed by a Holocaust denier/moon hoaxer to being interviewed by the follower of a 35,000-year-old warrior from Atlantis?

The makng of a woo: baloney included!
And so when I was ready — in 1977 in my kitchen, in February, in Tacoma, Washington — I was playing with some pyramids with at that time my husband-to-be, who was a dentist. And we were making pyramids because we hiked in the Olympic and Cascade mountain ranges and the rage at that time was that you could put all this food under pyramids and it would dehydrate. So we had baloney and wine and sandwiches and cheese and milk; you know, we had pyramids all over the house, and you really couldn’t walk into the bathroom.

I put one on my head and I thought, well, if this will do this to baloney, what will it do with my brain? So I put it on my head and started laughing. And I picked it up and there was this glitter at the end of my little kitchen — this glitter, like you would take a handful and turn it loose through a ray of sunshine — and there were these lights happening at the end of my kitchen, and I was just mesmerized. And there appeared this seven-foot-tall entity who was as big as life and the most beautiful thing I had ever seen in my life. And he had this big beautiful smile on his face. He had long fingers and long hands, black dancing eyes.
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Apparantly, every sunday at St. Mark's church (a performance space really) in NYC is 9/11 truth series day.

Anyhow on May 21, they are having a discussion on why the towers couldn't have pancake collapsed.

I wanna go armed with gravy's files. Where else can I find solid physics info with regards to the collapse?
 
Gravy said:
I only listened to a bit of it. Does he accuse specific people of specific acts? That would be a big improvement, if he had evidence to back it up.
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But he does seem to indicate that "Loose Change 3" is going to have a more mainstream distribution (theatrical limited release ?). So eventually, everybody will have seen it and some people are going to feel accused.
 
Pardalis said:
No one specifically... so far. But it's only a matter of time. His insinuations eventually are going to point the finger to specific individuals. I wonder what Silverstein might be thinking of Loose Change.

I wonder also if there is an equivalent of "diffamation of character" to companies and organisations?
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If I were Debra Burlingame I'd be pretty pissed off. Dylan pretty much accuses her husband Charles of being the pilot of the 757 that hit the Pentagon. He also misstates Burlingame's service record.

Oh wait, except a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon. So what was Burlingame's role in this again? Another one of those baffling cases where one conspiracy "fact" doesn't quite seem to fit in with the larger conspiracy narrative.
 
Abbyas said:
Apparantly, every sunday at St. Mark's church (a performance space really) in NYC is 9/11 truth series day.

Anyhow on May 21, they are having a discussion on why the towers couldn't have pancake collapsed.

I wanna go armed with gravy's files. Where else can I find solid physics info with regards to the collapse?
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IMO, the best (by far) report on the physics of the collapse is by a guy named Greening, linked at 911myths.com. He actually went thru the math of the NIST report and found some inconsistencies and contradictions. Interesting that the Loosers are so suspicous of anything official that they won't even read this material to find out about the legitimate problems with the NIST report. Greening thinks NIST is wrong, but not in a way that helps the Loosers. He thinks you didn't even need a fire. The damage to the structural steel and transfer of potenial energy to shear energy onto the remaining columns was enough to cause failures in the floor structures at or near where the impact was.

Good, solid, clear writing, and nothing harder than high school algebra/trig and undergrad physics.

http://www.911myths.com/html/other_contributions.html
 
dubfan said:
If I were Debra Burlingame I'd be pretty pissed off. Dylan pretty much accuses her husband Charles of being the pilot of the 757 that hit the Pentagon. He also misstates Burlingame's service record.

Oh wait, except a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon. So what was Burlingame's role in this again? Another one of those baffling cases where one conspiracy "fact" doesn't quite seem to fit in with the larger conspiracy narrative.
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That's the beauty of just asking questions isn't it? You don't have to worry about making the big picture have consistency. After all, like he says, it's the government's job to answer to these questions!

He's saying almost half of the highjackers are still alive today, so it seems to him that:

a) these planes have piloted themselves into these buildings (drone technology)
b) the planes were piloted by government payed kamikazes (army personnel?)
c) the unaccounted for highjackers were indeed the pilots, wich doesn't explain how they got to overcome the passengers and crew by themselves (remember all the other highjackers are still alive).
d) the American pilots for some reason piloted their own planes into the buildings

Avery is eventually going to have to decide wich theory he's is willing to stand for. But then again, I'm sure he won't.
 
Abbyas said:
Apparantly, every sunday at St. Mark's church (a performance space really) in NYC is 9/11 truth series day.

Anyhow on May 21, they are having a discussion on why the towers couldn't have pancake collapsed...
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Be sure to raise your hand and, when recognized, ask who among the "discussers" is a structural engineer.
 
NobbyNobbs said:
Looks like one of the admins from LC was banned from their forum for banning people. I don't know how to post URLs yet, but perhaps someone here will find it. Pablo let me know.
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haha! please tell me its true! Dissent in the ranks!

The little doubters over there like squibs going off everywhere. Arguements exploding all over the place. The forum collapsing!

Controlled demolition!

And the evil globalist neo-cons led by Gravy are behind it!
 
I saw that this thread had something like 2,000 replies and I thought "now there's NO way JREF members could possibly be arguing this Loose Change crap."

Apparently, the thread is just people making fun of others on other forums arguing it. I love this place.
 
EGarrett said:
I saw that this thread had something like 2,000 replies and I thought "now there's NO way JREF members could possibly be arguing this Loose Change crap."

Apparently, the thread is just people making fun of others on other forums arguing it. I love this place.
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there are a few "loosers" and other assorted CTers who sign up here periodically to make fools of themselves.
 
EGarrett said:
I saw that this thread had something like 2,000 replies and I thought "now there's NO way JREF members could possibly be arguing this Loose Change crap."

Apparently, the thread is just people making fun of others on other forums arguing it. I love this place.
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It's even more than that. It's a hurricane of indignation and stinging counter-arguments, and the launchpad of an all-out assault on the makers of the video and other promoters of this 9/11 CT garbage.
 
No...the "power of christ" reference was from family guy. It's just funnier when peter griffin said it. It was in the episode which chris started speaking ebonic hip hop language and peter thought he had been possessed, so he pulled over his car to start cranking up biblical references and spray holy water on chris to get rid of the blackness in him. Just like I think you guys have been possessed by believing that the offcial account of sept 11 is true, therefore you are possessed by the government.
 
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